This is, IMO, the core of the problem. You have lots of people who came back thinking it would be more or less like it was during Vanilla. They weren’t expecting that the meta of the game had been continuously evolving for over a decade on Pservers. Now, the two groups of player are thrown together in this Classic pot, and there’s a culture clash.
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IDK how true this is. It doesn’t seem nor appear this way. I guess we can only compare our experiences.
Ya, I wasnt really into the Pserver scene.
Might be why I enjoyed leveling. All honestly I have done speed runs, and ranked on 2 different characters to rank 8, and the most wholesome fun i had was leveling this warrior as my 2nd guy. I would say I get more enjoyment out of pushing my characters numbers now, but leveling him was just pleasant throughout. I looked forward to hitting the next level powerspikes and logging on to quest daily.
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Just because you have enjoyed it, doesn’t mean the majority enjoys it.
People can enjoy classic leveling, true. The majority doesn’t.
OK, boomer.
Well, if that is the case, great! Since boosting isn’t popular, it isn’t a problem and should be left alone! There are plenty of levelers roaming around.
There is a cognitive dissonance going on in this thread. There are two options:
- Boosting is unpopular and people love classic leveling. This means that boosting is a non-issue; This is contradictory to the observation that forming groups is hard.
- Boosting is very popular, meaning that a huge chunk if not a majority of players dislike classic leveling and are willing to grind for gold to skip it.
It’s one or the other. Which one is it?
And which ever one it is, boosting should be left alone. It’s either very popular or a non-issue.
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It isn’t boosting that needs to be dealt with. If anything its using the LFG chat to sell boosting services. If anything needs to be done it is using the chat channels incorrectly. Boosting services should be in trade chat. As it is one players providing a service to another player.
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Lemme add this part of my Post, into the equation:
Ya, I’m not a boomer lol. Should I call you a zoomer? Are we even?
People flame instantly when challenged with a different view point. Sign of an unhappy person. Just engage in a conversation you might feel better.
Boosting is popular, and it’s a subject with a lot of controversy. Some people think its the best way to reach your goal of level 60. Although if you really didnt do it yourself its kind of a hollow goal.
You may call me a boomer, but your flaming doesn’t make me wrong. If people actually want a level 60 they should probably do it themselves instead of paying someone to do it for you. Its not that leveling in classic is bad or boring. Although I’m sure it is to a lot of people. It’s more than its Easier and requires very little effort on the part of people getting boosted. Emphasis on the little effort part because people are often lazy.
I don’t care if people boost. If you want to pay someone else to play the game for you there are multiple websites that offer these services. There is also a boost in retail. Probably where your 120 toon came from 
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The problem with this is, you cannot access trade chat outside of the capital cities, and most dungeons are outside of them. So if boosters can’t advertise in trade chat, where else? The only other official global channels are world defense and LookingForGroup. I would say LookingForGroup is the best available option.
I think it’s also true that we have no data about latecomers in Vanilla. My guess is that they rarely reached max level, far less frequently that early comers.
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I fully agree. That is exactly why you called me and my entire generation lazy. A perfect example of flaming. If you don’t call people names, neither will I.
I fully agree. If it’s popular, it means it should be left as is. To remove it would be to CHANGE vanilla mechanics, and this change would be unpopular one.
Yes, a huge chunk or a majority of the player base think it is the best way to reach 60, because they dislike classic leveling.
This is your opinion, and it is completely irrelevant. The goals are for players who get boosted themselves to set, not you. I don’t find that boosting to 60 is a hollow goal. I want a 60 mage to farm gold for my priest main. I want him fast. I have no emotional attachment to the mage. The mage is a tool. And I want to improve the tool. That’s my goal. And many many players have similar goals. You play your account, not a character.
This statement is contradictory. Boring is subjective. If it’s boring to a lot of people, it is quite boring.
Not playing video games is EASIER and FASTER than playing video games, don’t you agree? Does that mean lazy people never play video games? Of course not. Because people want to have fun. If an activity is entertaining, people don’t avoid the effort. Everyone who plays WoW Classic decided to spend some of their time on it. Because they enjoy the game as a whole. But they decided to skip leveling. Not because they are lazy. But because they do not enjoy leveling.
Excellent. I agree, mind your own business and let people play the way they want.
It’s not irrelevant at all. A big part of personal goals is putting in the effort then enjoying the reward. I would say the vast majority of people enjoy reaching their goals more when they didn’t just buy them.
I flamed your generation? I have no idea about your generation. There is a reason game companies pump out shallow games with a heavy frontload. It’s because the current market of gamers (I mean ages 12-18) seems to be filled with ADD stricken teens. If you are older than this you might as well call yourself a boomer. You arent the target market anymore.
They already changed it. You think the bots were the only reason they did an instance cap?
You mean you want someone else to improve the tool for you. I get it though no attachment and all but you did not improve the tool. Some other mage did lol.
Not contradictory. Lots of people find it fun, so it’s quite fun?
Um no, we arent talking about life here lol. Yes not playing video games could make other activities easier and faster, but we are talking about the game itself. You are lazy in game if you boost. Doesn’t mean you are lazy in general.
Again, dont care if people boost. Be lazy in WoW if you want. You are still playing in a very lazy way if you boost. I bet you want the WoW token in classic too lol. I mean that mage cant farm as much as you can buy!
That is true because that is generally where player to player services are suppose to take place (In my opinion).
However, they could for example simply make a Boosting chat channel. Like a world chat channel was quickly made on most realms.
And what happens when some troll inevitably puts a password on the Boosting channel? Or if someone gets banned from it? Only if Blizzard would implement an official global boosting channel, it would be a proper alternative to LFG.
If you want a game where daddy Blizz holds your hand try Retail, part of the appeal of Vanilla was we could do what we want with few restrictions. And while there were indeed a few restrictions such as raid lockouts, we knew going into Classic what the Vanilla ones were, and we didn’t need more shoved in to appease people that think playing the game within the rules Vanilla had is not Vanilla.
I really don’t care if you look down on min/max, boosting, raiding, the 18h/day 3-4 month r14 grind, or anything else that isn’t retail kosher. If it can be done in Vanilla, then it can be done in Vanilla- saying we need to change Vanilla in order to keep it more like Vanilla is literally the stupidest argument anyone can make and it’s even worse that Blizz keeps listening to it.
I agree boosting sucks. I came back to this game after a break excited to level a new toon. No one wants a real dungeon run because of boosting. Boosting ruins the spirit of the game. Players seem intent on turning Classic into retail. I think I just need to accept that gaming will never be like it once was.
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What exactly is the difference between everyone looking to boost so there is no one doing dungeons, and no one leveling alts because they are burnt out on leveling so there is no one to do dungeons?
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I think it comes down to what Blizzard decides to consider an exploit / unintended gameplay.
Is farming Gnomeregan dozens of times for MCPs to do more dps in end game raids intended gameplay? Is it degenerate gameplay?
Is gathering as many world buffs as possible before raids to steamroll the content faster intended gameplay, or is it degenerate?
Is exploiting pathing bugs to aoe down entire instances in a single pull to powerlevel a bunch of afk toons at the entrance intended gameplay? Does it degrade the intended experience of WoW?
These are all matters of opinion and philosophy. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer to any of them. I’ll still play the game either way anyway. But if Blizz decides they’re detrimental to the game or essentially exploits, they could very well get changed just like some of the terrain exploits in WSG, the black lotus spawns, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw MCP and/or world buffs get nerfed hard, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw a soft cap on full aoe damage get introduced.
It’s their gold to do with whatever they (not you) want. If you don’t want to buy a boost, then don’t. That’s your choice, just like buying the boost is their choice.
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Selling SM 1 pull runs on Whitemane,pst!!
Feel, mostly. It’s like, you know there are people out there because you see them questing. Then, when it’s time to run Ulda or whatever, you see them spamming “WTB Mara 1 pull”. So they’re out there taking the quest mobs, then not even running dungeons. That’s what I see as the difference.