One thing too many people forget because video games are hard coded with what you can do, our characters are not representative of our race. We are, one and all, Big Dang Heros. We break all the rules and forge our own paths that others would probably never even dream to walk.
That alone is more then enough excuse for opening up player options.
There’s also the one dragon who’s visage is a vulperia. would be nice if dracthyr could just pick another races look for our visage, or our half-elven/part-draconic look.
No. DEFINITELY not glowing holy golden eyes. Nuh uh. Even I draw the line there.
Glowy PURPLE Shadowy eyes though? Let’s rock that .
Red, Green, Black, Blue, Purple, and let’s say WHITE.
I think that’s enough fitting variety.
Easily done in WoWMV, or at least used to seeing as Model Viewer hasn’t been updated in like forever…
This isnt even remotely true.
You dont get to draw the line anywhere when your sides argument is “customization”. You dont get that luxury because you guys say “to hell with the lore”. So every color under the rainbow or stay blue because “customization” means any color. Hot pink, vomit green, rainbows with sparkles coming out of it.
So either you stick with the lore or you allow anything and everything because “customization”.
What if they’re just yellow? Like jaundice
i’d really like Purple, considering unholy uses quite a bit of shadow magic and some of their abilities burst with purple I think it would be really neat!
Yet he actually has blue eyes.
hum no he dosent, Arthas has green eyes. The only moment Arthas ever had Blue glowy eyes was when he put on the helm of domination. He always had Green eyes, as a pally and as a DK. You can easily see this if you play warcraft 3 or watch the fall of the lich king cinematic.
Edit: my bad I didnt misread that we were talking about thalassian but my point stands, Arthas had his good old regular eyes as a DK.
case and point, Ebyssian choosing a highmountain visage. its definitly possible lorewise.
Arthas wasnt a 3rd gen DK either. We should all know by now that the 1st is different from the 2nd which is different from the 3rd and 4th which are lumped together. The 3rd and 4th are what we are talking about here.
All 3rd / 4th gen DK’s have blue eyes.
She never said that you said it was mandated in fact she said that it wasnt mandated, and that you yourself mentionned the unholy artwork as an example that it wasnt mandated. Therefor the blood artwork having red eyes is a genuine design choice. I dont see why all the art work for all the specs would not be monochromatic but Blood DK would be. it makes no sense, the red eyes are a choice by blizzard.
But you said that the third generation was made “in his image” (its also hardly true since we know they were made to be canon fodder)
He dosent have glowy eyes… I’d also check up on the wiki if I were you its said in multiple places that 3rd generation DKs dont all have the unholy glow.
“Most death knights resemble their living selves, though pale and with an unholy light that illuminates their eyes. Others may lack the eye illumination and have tattoos decorating their faces.”
You also claimed that Lady Alistra is not a dk because of her red eyes, my previous statement from sourced wikis says otherwise and Keyndra also debunked that a few times… What bugged me is when you said
You say that having DK abilities dosent make them a DK because they are “scourge” abilities, did you know that DKs were part of the Scourge? Did you know that you dont have to be humanoid to be a DK? Most of the first generation DK became liches, they would still be DKs theres nothing in the lore that says that being a lich stops you from being a death knight. Example: Amal’Thazad dual wielding swords as a follower in legion.
Not having Blue eyes dosent stop from being a death knight. Thassarian dosent have blue eyes, Lord Thorval dosent have blue eyes, Lady Alistra dosent have blue eyes(even in classic and all her disciple also lack blue eyes, theres even a little even where she summons skeletal mages, pops Anti-magic shell and then casts death coils on the mages),In fact all the initiate use the cultist face/eyes like thassarian instead of the blue eyes, Whitemane dosent have blue eyes, Minerva Ravensorrow dosent have blue eyes depending of which screenshot you look at but in my game right now she has empty eye sockets, Korgaz Deadaxe, Instructor Razuvious dosent have blue eyes and those are just the few I found while chilling in Acherus. Most of these characters wear DK Gear, are coded to use DK abilities (Scourge or otherwise, DKs were part of the scourge so that point is moot) and Are either DK trainers or the legion recruiters. If you look at all these factors and still think they arent DKs I dont know what to tell you, I think you’re in denial.
I really wonder why you ever come to these discussions about the class if all you ever do is shut down discussions. You always come into these discussions with a negative attitude treating others ideas as dumb and you are always invalidating people’s feelings and opinions. Most of us are here for discussions not arguments. Maybe you’d have more success convincing people of your side of the discussion if you stopped treating everything as an argument and all their points as invalid.
Yes, she did. Why even bring up mandating anyways?
Yes, it was a design choice, it doesnt mean that blood = red eyes or else frost = we are a frostwyrm. Its just background art, there isnt really a way to show blood through visuals in what it does so they used color. Thats it. If that DK had blue eyes you wouldnt be able to differentiate it from any other death knight art. But by your guys logic affliction warlocks should have purple eyes right? Because the artwork shows that. Prot warriors should have glowing eyes too right? Its just background artwork. These things used to just be a landscape and nothing more.
Yes… that doesnt contradict anything. He was the Lich King at the time of creating 3rd generation DK’s.
He was using the Ebon Blade, not all DK’s.
Oh yes he does.
They absolutely do.
She isnt.
Stop bringing up the wiki that has no source. People changed the wiki in real time when having a conversation with me so they could say “see the wiki says it” but guess what the wiki doesnt provide, a source.
THEY ARENT DK ABILITIES! DnD is NOT a DK ability, its a Lich ability that they took from Rage Winterchill.
WHAT?! REALLY? Noooooo…
What?
And those first generation DK’s were what? They had absolutely nothing to do with the scourge and were of the horde and were warlocks in fallen Stormwind Knight bodies.
Yes, it does, in the name Lich. They are fundamentally different. Liches are casters, they place their soul in a phylactery so they can always regenerate their body. You are just reaching now and its getting pretty embarassing.
It does for 3rd and 4th generation DK’s.
Yes he does.
Yes he does.
Not a Death Knight.
Not Death Knights
Banshee ability
Yes she does
Yes she does.
Absolutely no information on this guy.
2nd generation DK not 3rd
So does Garrosh Hellscream in Wrath… so what?
They are just standing around doing nothing.
No its not.
Dude, you are desperate lol, its pretty clear. You are wrong with about 90% of the information you put here.
Get a better argument then instead of “Whitemane doesnt have blue eyes!” even though she does and its a limitation of the game. She has them in the cinematic where she is carrying Bolvar. But you guys dont pay attention to things and you have no real investment into the class which is why you want it changed so much. You look for little slivers of information that you can attempt to twist and manipulate while leaving out the rest.
Because im tired of these troll posts and lies.
They are bad ideas. Dont like your ideas being called bad then dont post them on the internet.
I dont care about peoples feelings and opinions. Facts do not care about feelings and opinions.
So why is it a discussion when you do it but an argument when I do it even though you are doing the same thing. You are trying to call me dumb by “not doing my research” when its you that isnt doing your research.
There is no convincing people that dont want to be convinced. You dont want to be convinced or you would have done a little more research on these people before claiming what you did about them. Or trying to say Liches are Death Knights (they arent).
Then get better points instead of trying to twist them. At best… AT BEST. Lady Alistra would be a 2nd generation DK where she sought out the Lich Kings power instead of being raised into undeath. There is a difference, you should take more time to read about it.
So copy quote it? show your source.
I never said that because the art work had a certain eye colors it meant that every one of that spec had to have those eye colors. The art work just shows its a possibility (in fact theres even a dk npc with red eye OMG)
Show your source and proof, he dosent in WC3 he dosent in the cinematics where he dies and dosent have the helm… its clearly a feature of the helm of domination. hell even bolval’s eyes start glowing after putting on the helmet.
Show your source/proof. nowhere in wow lore does it say that all 3rd or 4rd generation DKS MUST 100% WITHOUT FAULT have blue glowy eyes. i have shown you npcs in game that prove otherwise.
on the basis of the eyes alone when everything else points towards her being a DK
Most of what you write lacks a source while the quote from the wiki is supported from in game characters.
They didnt take it from Rage Winterchill in lore, I doubt he invented Death and Decay, they just copied the code for the ability, you really stetched what Kris Zierhut said… Rage winterchill was loyal to the burning legion. it makes no sense for Arthas to give dnd to his DKs based on a random boss when KTZ is right next to him. Even then, it can be a lich ability and a DK ability it dosent have to be just one, death coil used to be a Warlock ability, now its a dk ability, Metamorphosis used to be a warlock ability now its a DH ability.
Theres nothing stopping a lich from taking weapons and going to fight in melee. Being a lich just means they are a powerful spellcaster that did a ritual for immortal life. Amal’Thazad is an example
" He has an invisible follower recruiting spell with the following description: Champion: Amal’thazad: Amal’thazad was once a powerful frost mage who fought against the forces of the Lich King. Arthas, impressed with the mage’s power, raised him into undeath as the lich Amal’thazad." The spell is associated to a buff that says “Amal’thazad employs the frozen powers of undeath to lay waste to all who dare oppose him.” As a champion, it is shown in the user interface that he fights like a Frost death knight, dual-wielding swords. "
my brother in Arthas’s balls go check in game none of these characters have blue eyes I checked yesterday in both retail and classic, its clearly not a game engine limitation or else they would have given them blue eyes like any other Dk.
Source other then the eyes? cause she’s a DK in every other facets. She can use Plague Strike, tell me then if its not a dk ability where else does it come from.
The Death knight initiates arent Death knight. you realised how that sounds right? They are coded to use blood strike, Death coil, Icy touch and plague strike, from what archetypes do these spells belong to if not death knights.
Dk ability taken from/inspired by banshees.
(Whitemane)
Where cause she dosent in game and in most official art.
(Minerva) Again where, In game right now she has empty eye sockets.
He’s an NPC Death knight recruiter in Acherus. you can check in game.
he wears a recolored version, not the exact same version.
Irrelevent
What a rebutal, DKs where part of the scourge of course they are going to use some “scourge abilities” whatever that means.
Nice projection.
Other NPCs have blue eyes its not a game limitation.
and its your duty to call them bad because? its hella toxic my dude.
oof the classic ben shapiro answer, really gonna make friends with that one. Most of what you said is opinions this entire conversation is based on opinions and the only ones that can provide facts is blizzard. no where have they said DKs NEED 100% to have glowy blue eyes. its just your opinion unless you can show me proof/source that isnt based on your interpretation of the lore.
I never said I wasnt arguing. I am because you’ve been arguing with everyone in this thread and other threads and its extremely annoying when trying to have civil discussions with other players. You can say you disagree and dont find something cool or interresting without picking appart everything someone says.
you also dont want to be convinced this paragraph applies to you too. (Amal’Thazad is a Death knight)
FINALLY some discussion I agree maybe she’s 2nd generation or maybe she became a darkfallen after or before becoming a death knight. Maybe she’s a banshee that took over a dark fallen blood elf and then became a death knight. Who knows? Regardless theres an npc in acherus That has a different eye color and I think its high time for DKs to get more eye options, I really really would like Purple eye colors, it would match my scourge strike. I understand your opinions tho that it could take away from the immersion of playing a death knight but for me it would be more immersive to have more options, I know some DKs that roleplay as 2nd gen or even 1st gen. I personally imagine my DK also more of a second gen so it would be nice for roleplayers to have more options and create characters that are even more unique instead of the Generic Blue eyed DK.
She quoted it. Im not doing this crap again.
Never said you said that.
No it doesnt.
No there isnt.
Show proof that the Lich King that created 3rd generation DK’s had blue eyes? Seriously?
He wasnt the Lich King in WC3.
Show in lore where it states that 3rd and 4th gen dk’s can not have blue eye glow.
No you havent.
No they dont, you want those other things to point to it even though they dont.
Alright, tell me the source that says “Lady Alistra is a DK” and if you site the wiki, where is that source on the Wiki?
Yes they did.
He doesnt have to invent it lol. Thats where they got DnD from liches, guess what DnD was an ability of the lich all the way in WC3, the Death Knight didnt have it. Oh guess what the DK also didnt have, AMS, but what did? A Banshee.
So was the Scourge until Ner’zhul decided to betray them again.
Which means it would be a scourge ability would it not? Like I said.
They were different abilities under the same name. Seriously just stop with this nonsense. Grasping at straws doesnt make you look good.
Your right, there isnt, but that doesnt mean that they are a Death Knight. What is stopping a Banshee from wearing DK armor and wielding a weapon after it gets its body back?
No hes not.
Everything under that system is listed as a Death Knight, EVERYTHING. Doesnt make it a Death Knight. You are trying to water down what a Death Knight is and its embarassing at the lengths you people will go to try to get what you want.
So you didnt do your research. Thassarian does have blue glowing eyes, its in the comic, and again THE CULTIST FACE SKIN PREVENTS THE EYE GLOW IN GAME. Whitemane has blue eyes in the cinematic IN GAME when she is carrying Bolvar back from getting owned by Sylvanas. You are grasping dude like I havent had to go up against these talking points before. If all that you guys can do is constantly bring up things that have been debunked then you guys do not care to be convinced of the truth.
Yes it is.
Source that she is one?
So can other units do your due diligence instead of just some low grade intern level research. Its embarassing.
No.
Like the truth. Its an initiate.
So what?
No, a Banshee ability.
Yes she does, do better research and pay attention to the game. You would have seen it if you cared.
You said she does.
Still no information on this guy. You are just grasping at straws in that if there is 0 information then it must be a dk. Oh that snail over there, its in Acherus… must be a DK. Thats what you are doing here.
So? Colors matter all of a sudden? Hes not a DK because the colors are different but Lady Alistra is a DK because colors are different? Get some standards.
No its not, its entirely relevant.
Its all that is needed.
Trying to deflect in what you are actually doing.
Yes it is.
because I can and I want to, you got a problem with that then go somewhere else.
Not anywhere close to being toxic, what is toxic is acting like you have the truth when you havent even scratched the surface of research.
Why do you guys think im looking for friends here? What makes you think that is my goal? You bringing this up makes it look like that is what you are trying to do and just parroting what other people say in order to make friends. Sorry, but I dont care if you are trying to make friends, you are wrong.
No its not.
When why are you here because they have provided these facts and you are ignoring them.
Except when they double downed on it in SL right? So yes, they said that Dk’s need to have blue eyes and further gave the reason for it (ignoring earlier generations of DK and were specifically talking about the player character or 3rd and 4th gen DK’s)
It came out of Ions mouth at Blizzcon after they showed the Bolvar vs Sulv fight.
Then dont talk about me arguing with other people.
Not my fault people want to argue with the facts.
You know what is extremely annoying? People like you saying “no sources” when Whitemane is in the Pre-Patch SL cinematic WITH BLUE EYES. Oh but im just some dumb guy arguing with everyone. No you just dont know what you are talking about.
No, hes a Lich. But congrats, you are going on ignore because you are clearly a troll at this point. You being bored doesnt mean you can use me for entertainment.
Logical fallacy.
No its not. Its the same exact thing that they are asking of me. So where in the lore does it state that 3rd and 4th gen Death Knights can have other eye glows than blue… where is the source? Because if you want a source for it saying that its only blue and you are saying they can have other colors, then source where Blizzard has stated as such. Where is it?
Or do you guys know that Blizzard doesnt write these rules down as you want them and we have to do investigation into it and you are actually asking for the impossible just for me to say “it doesnt explicitly say that” so you guys can then return with a “well if they didnt say DK’s can only have blue eyes then that means they can have different colors”.
So please, dont try to insult my intelligence when I see a leading demand and call it out for what it is.
i mean sure
That’s all they have, coming on here and become the center of attention by being the most pedantic contrarian troll they can be. I’m guessing they don’t have much going on elsewhere that they need attention so bad they’d rather get it by making everyone angry with them then just be a decent person.
If dracthyr ever become DKs that should be an option for them