Yeah, we get it, your interpretation of Ion’s statement is the flag you will never stop waving.
Why are you not fighting against the phased rollout then? Shouldn’t it be exactly the way it was in 2006?
Give the bread vendor a baguette of +10 player slaying and watch him one-shot people.
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Because they gave us a concession. And we did argue against 4 patches, and got 6. Notice how people are accepting compromises from Blizzard? But Blizzard still gets the final say? People argued against moving to 6 patches too. Personally I like the 2 year roll out for a more authentic feel, but I accept that at the 1.12 point, it will be over. A nice experience to recreate, but once its done, that’s it.
What Classic will do is show Blizzard and the MMO industry, that there’s a real demand for more hardcore MMOs on the old model where effort took time and care. You couldn’t just go in guns blazing and expect no consequences. Whether that’s PVP or PVE, you had to actually be careful.
I would like that new MMO to be made, but if you carebear it down by removing the things that made the experience hard, you are undermining the argument for that new MMO.
How the heck do you interpret “we want to create an experience that feels just like 2006 World of Warcraft” any differently than “we want to create an experience that feels just like 2006 World of Warcraft?”
I’m not fighting against phasing because Blizzard put in phasing to try and create an authentic journey. Disabling DHKs entirely is going against that journey.
But when phase 6 happens. It should be authentic 2006 World of Warcraft.
No it isn’t. Dhk’s are not a significant event. They were an annoyance.
Which is why blizzard removed them.
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Blizzard removed Honor Kills. Since they did that, there was no point to have DHKs too. Are you saying that the Honor system was an annoyance since it was removed too?
If we’re going to remove every annoyance in Classic WoW, there is a long list many people over in the BFA General forums can give you to “fix” the game.
No seriously, go over there and talk about Classic, they’ll give you a list of things that were bad and needed fixing.
So I don’t think removing DHKs in an effort to “fix” Classic WoW is a good way to go about it.
One of these things is not like the other…
And why yes, since we are revisiting the game, we should go through and fix bad design, glitches, and bugs.
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Excuse me? That’s not trolling. What you’ve said is essentially that having an unpopular opinion that you are vocal about is trolling.
I know you said “to get reactions” but that requires the idea of using said unpopular opinion to get negative, vitriolic or even long drawn out argumentative reactions. Using one’s opinion as a voice, even if it is unpopular, to get heard and thusly get reactions is not trolling.
Based on your logic used here I could call your own post trolling in that it is argumentative in nature. Whereas trolling requires intent to get responses out of amusement, not intent on proper communication and debate.
Now having an unpopular opinion and then ignoring other posts by using baseless points could easily lead to the assumption of trolling as usually that’s the other sign to show if one is trolling. Especially if they just ignore responses and use replies that give little to nothing to the conversation on end.
Oh I see.
“Accepying” compromises from Blizzard? Are you serious? We have to all but BEG to get compromises. And all the while we have people like yourself and Lunni fighting against it.
I did not realize that not wanting DHKs so that more WPVP could happen was considered “carebear”.
Thankfully I have been coming up with compromise options rather than sticking with “disable entirely”, but once again you are not interested in actual discussions, but rather you can only spout the same misinterpretation of a statement made once. I could do the same thing and repeat ad nausium blizzard encouraging us to let them know what versions of vanilla elements we preferred, but that horse has long left the stable and has been put down by blizzard with their decision making.
Would you argue against a rotating schedule of DHKs on/DHKs off, if Blizzard stated they were going to do that?
You are making it abundantly clear that you should be outright ignored as someone lacking a desire to have a discussion.
Here I thought the point of DHKs was to discourage killing of vital NPCs. ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
Removing the honor system removed the need to protect NPCs?
It is no different than making threads about transmog and flying in classic. If you are stating your “opinion” to get reactions, it is by definition trolling.
Yes, and it is apparent when someone is doing it to get reactions, and those who want honest debate and discussion.
A test. Is this “opinion” or trolling?:
It was a fallacious argument, which is why I didn’t reply.
I’m having a discussion.
I believe others were trying to discuss having them in phase two or three. I think that’s a good discussion. That’s a compromise. When to implement them.
I’m trying to dissuade others from removing them entirely no matter how much they dislike them.
I don’t think we should be removing things from the game because we dislike them. If that was the case, the rogue class would have been deleted long ago.
As soon as we start getting rid of things we don’t like from vanilla. Then people can go through the patchnotes and get really nit picky with what they want to remove to “fix” the game.
No, TBC had other methods of protecting NPCs. However, those were in The Burning Crusade, not the 2006 Vanilla. Just because they “fixed” a “Broken” system doesn’t mean that they’re going to fix it in Classic. Because there are a lot of systems they “fixed”, which was part of why people stopped playing WoW.
Why is removing DHKs any different to balancing Druid talents and abilities so that all 3 specs are “viable”. Or giving every healer class a Magic removal? They all make the game “better” which isn’t the point of Classic.
I’d be pretty happy if they removed Dishonorable kills. I don’t feel like they added anything positive to the game. It wasn’t like other “inconvenience” systems that others have proposed get removed where things were just harder or took longer. This system actually discouraged hardcore PVP players from participating in city/town raids. Which, it’s kind of a shame. It’s not like it stopped that stuff, either. People who don’t care about honor still raided towns and made life horrible for lowbies and such.
I get the whole “It was in Vanilla so it should be in Classic”. But, I don’t know. There are a lot of things in Vanilla that we already aren’t getting in Classic that I’m kind of upset about. So, if I can’t have those good things from Vanilla, may as well try and get something I didn’t like out of Classic. 
Odd, because when I posted a compromise you threw the Ion quote at me, as you so often do to anyone trying to discuss options.
So basically discussing what they encouraged us to discuss and relay to them concerning what versions of vanilla elements we wanted? Of course you completely ignore that part of the equation.
Are you asking me how something that for a time was not in vanilla, not being implemented in vanilla… is the same as something that wasn’t in vanilla that will not be put in vanilla?
You are reaching on a biblical level.