So was their removal. When the only argument for their inclusion boils down to “it existed,” you’re pretty much admitting that there is absolutely no good reason for them at all, from a gameplay enhancement perspective.
Unbeatable C’Thun was a thing, too (for months). Should they release AQ40 in that state? Windfury was busted for a great length of time. Bring that back as well? If we want to be consistent, there’s probably a laundry list of items that existed in vanilla but won’t be in classic. I like how the “it was a thing” philosophy seemingly doesn’t apply to key features in AV, as well.
The biggest problem with this line of thinking is that, small things like say RP-PVP servers would have to wait for Phase 4. But Blizzard is willing to work around certain things, I.E the content patch and so on, so if it was purely just 1.12 We would have Naxx available at the start clearly they’re not some beast pushing stagnant only for 1.12
There are also a ton of things that are in the unknown one is Fishing pools, and D2 and so on.
Blizzard is also willing to put in Say loot trading Move Diremaul launch and add in Sharding so i feel we will never find common ground here and agree to disagree.
Please stop repeating this falsehood. DHKs were never removed in Vanilla. They were removed in the TBC Pre-Patch, at the same time as Honor was removed. Saying they were removed because they were bad, implies that Honor was removed because it was bad. They weren’t removed because they were bad, they were removed as part of removing the Honor system.
You can have your DHKs removed, if you remove the Honor system and Rank 14 that was removed with it.
Ah good. You don’t have a good response because World PvP was not, is not, and never shall be important. It is simply bullies trying to get their jollies by ruining the game experience of other players.
Gotcha.
To OP: DHKs are great, and should remain or be adjusted to be worse on honor.
It’s the basal hypocrisy of #nochanges where you get to move the goalposts to include everything that spanned the 2 years of vanilla, as long as it fits #nochangesexcepttheonesiwant (oh and PS Blizzard is going to trump your feefees and do anything that reduces their operating expenses even if unpopular with the frothing zealots).
Me, I’m for making a Classic+ (and thus give exactly zero craps about #nochanges), but that for sure isn’t what we are getting. Lots of things were poor gameplay decisions in Vanilla IMO (and even got changed as a consequence, imagine that!)… DHKs being one of them.
The only compromise we’ve had so far has been loot trading, which is a new thing added to Classic. It never existed. I don’t want it, it didn’t exist in Vanilla. Same with Sharding, I’d prefer sharding didn’t exist. But I also know Blizzard is going to put it in.
So we compromise on those things. But asking Blizzard to change things? The only changes blizzard has proposed is gating. They haven’t changed anything from 1.12. They’ve only gated some items and the raid content.
Since the announcement they haven’t said anything about changing a thing in the data. Not old AV. Not old items. Nothing.
Nor do i, but to say that any idea should be shot down, no matter how silly is something i’m against. Even those silly transmog post, people have a right to speak it, as we have a right to flag it for trolling. I’m not saying Blizzard will or would ever do this, it’s nothing short of an idea and that if the community enjoy’s it well enough they may promote it enough for Blizzard to see, if not well Oh well.
Though it is interesting as in on the whole Data part, if they’ll consider old mounts or gating fishing pools since both those things are data changes. As well as NPC changes to certain zones and so on, they haven’t said much on world as a whole in this regard.
DHKs were removed in the first Burning Crusade patch (2.0). That was not a vanilla patch.
DHKs were not removed in vanilla.
There is no other reason required. Classic is a recreation of vanilla. All the good and bad things about it; everything. If you don’t get that then that’s on you.
Classic is not a recreation of Vanilla it will be a different game. 16 debuff slot not in at the start 8 debuff was in game longer than 16, sharding was not in at all,so we have a franken patch already why not just make a fun game.
AV 1.5 was in it also but we see where that went. So no we are not getting a recreation we are getting a frankengame with loot trading as stated by blizzard.