But that would mean that the PLAYERS have to take some responsibility for what they do? Can’t have that. Much better to just change all the rules so that a few people aren’t inconvenienced.
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DHKs were a change in an attempt to stop a few people from being inconvenienced.
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Brack himself said that a “Frankenstein Classic” is on the table. In his interview, he specifically asks the community to give feedback on which version they prefer best (taking for example UBRS being 5 or 10 men) and saying “This is the type of feedback we want to see”.
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“Inconvenience” is the incorrect word. More like “so punishing that there is zero incentive”.
Dishonorable kill making it so you can’t queue for a BG, or you get 50% less honor on kills for 15 mins = inconvenience.
Dishonorable kill making it so you lose 2-3 weeks of progress on your rank = crippling and will make sure nobody will risk doing raids on cities.
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Oh yeah we would love to have people back at it again camping the Auctioneers all day…
I think the difference from this one and others, is that DKs give:
-Opportunity for same faction griefing
-Unintentional loss of progression on the “week” scale as opposed to “minute/hour” scale.
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I am in agreement with you. Reread what I posted and what I was responding to. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
And DHKs do not stop that. If blizzard wanted them unkillable they would have made them unkillable.
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If you’re in a safe zone for 15 minutes you can’t be attacked on a PvP server. At least, this is how it was in vanilla.
I meant the NpC’s
If blizz wanted them to be big orc they would have made the mbig orcs. wtf do u wan to say with this line of thought?
There was a PVP solution to it.
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There is also a solution to not getting DHK’s! Don’t kill civilians.
U’re really strong in the arguments… not
They stepped that back when they have stated multiple times they’re going to use 1.12 data and then confirmed 1.12 data. (AV, PVP items).
I think the best bet would be in a raid group making the tagger only take the DHK or just have Civilian NPCS not be tagged by AOE. Seems like a fair comprise.
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There is no need to compromise. Why is there a compromise? Dishonorable kills are authentic. They existed in Vanilla.
Quit changing the game please.
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They where also not in the game quite some time. The problem is city raiding was in the game and DHK Discourage it, so it’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
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Luuni is just a troll that didn’t get their way with whatever changes she wanted so now they go around throwing no changes in people’s face as an I told you so. No point in talking to her.
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Here is the timeline:
April 4th… Patch 1.4 : PVP system was introduced
June 7th… Patch 1.5: Dishonorable kills were introduced.
So 64 days between the two.
Luuni is just a troll that didn’t get their way with whatever changes she wanted so now they go around throwing no changes in people’s face as an I told you so. No point in talking to her.
Excuse me? I’m not trolling by any means.
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It really isn’t 64 days, though. You’re not seeing the bigger picture here, which is the health of world pvp; more specifically, city raiding.
That was a beloved form of pvp from launch onwards, with or without honor. It wasn’t until 1.5 that people discovered the play style that shaped early WoW was being intefered with.
It doesn’t matter that before 1.4 no one had honor to lose. Losing honor isn’t the problem. It was the gradual destruction of world pvp that is the problem, and DHKs were absolutely a large part of that.
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Uh, i know the timeline silly, i was around for that long, been here since 4th month on the old fourms. The timeline itself is a change.
edit: the change as in DHK should be in the same phase as BGS
The problem is #Nochanges stands for 1.1-1.12 timeline so if it was within this timeline it is not a change. The same is said for the whole AV debate that’s why it’s so valid, you can disagree with me that’s fine.
End of the day it’s blizzards call and i won’t debate that, but i’m not going to some wallflower and not help to find a comprise to make most people happy and or find middle ground, no please stop saying i’m trying to change the game i love. Personally i can go with or without, i will World raid and W pvp with or without them, i know how damaging they where and how much they DID ruin capital raiding.
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Blizzard has time and time again shown us that Classic WoW is going to be pretty much 1.12. They’ve done that with the AV post and now the 1.12 items on the PVP post.
Heck, they even did that at Blizzcon when they said they didn’t want to mess with the 1.12 data. They should have been more firm on the subject and I think the J. Allen Brack interview did them a disservice because it gave false hopes.
J. Allen Brack’s interview gave a sense that we’d have a choice to help create Vanilla. But every update now has been nothing but 1.12.
If they don’t come out and change 1.12 AV, I very much doubt we’re going to get anything that wasn’t in the database prior to 1.12. Gating content? Sure. That’s not deleting things from the data. That’s just locking them. But going in and changing how DHKs work would be something they said they wouldn’t do.
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