Inigo Montoya says yes
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No. Thatâs actually from a book with an alternative timeline in it (the one where Blackmore became king and a civil war ripped through Lordaeron). It was explained that every divergent timeline will cease to exist at some point.
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I knew the Blackmore timeline thing, I meant for that situation specifically
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Well, it should become like the main timeline one eventualy. How exactly - who knows. Maybe itâs the Light. Maybe itâs wiping out the primals. Maybe itâs somebody from the outside trying to manipulate events. Not clear.
There is next to no (or probably none at all at the time) area in the lore which has âhard rulingâ on what and how supposed to happen. Unreliable narrator, you know, all of that.
Yrel says that the orcs are âchocking life from the landâ. Their answer is âno uâ. All we have from concrete details afaia. [oh, and some orcs say that they âbested primalsâ which may or may not have significant impact]
âNeutralâ bronze dragonflight that should âpreserveâ the main timeline brought in a bunch of creatures from the alt-Draenor alongside magâhar.
Draenei might make use of dimensional ships of some sort.
Plus there is Khadgar, who can find some info about the topic in the Karazhan library.
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Thanks for the in depth reply Chronorabbit. I really donât role-play, but I do like the story (even though I think that the story goes astray sometimes).
And by reading through threads like these I get the sense that everyone thinks that this topic is in someway going to turn into an expansion, i.e. the Lightforged trying to convert everyone.
I think that might be a wonderful idea if they do it right. The whole Illidan thing with Xera and how excited it made people (including me), makes it seem like it may happen.
Considering both my Moorcockian view of things and a good look at the Ember Ward, I lean towardâs the Magâhar claims since theyâre not the ones operating like the Scarlet Crusade cranked up to 11. Yârelâs Lightbound are nothing like Turalyonâs Lightforged.
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The Bronze Dragonflight is depowered along with the rest⊠In case you missed the memo, itâs âThe Age of Mortalsâ now.
Yeah, I am aware that regardless of the intentions, the âage of mortalsâ has the most negative perception.
So, does that mean that they canât pull in a bunch of creatures like they did, or that itâs ok to pick a side and not be âneutralâ when convenient for the narrative?
Or that they can do whatever now (and that would make them no different to infinites)?
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The Bronze flight has never been âneutralâ. Theyâve picked a preferred timeline and will do anything to preserve it. Iâm not sure where you are trying to go with this. I donât recall the Bronzes having anything to do with the Magâhar recruting scenario.
Ok, whatever for the narrative convenience. Got it.
How do you think you get there to begin with? By following the guidance of Anachronos.
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He wasnât active on that side. So it may well be that the Bronzes believe that the Magâhar are a neccessary addition to the equation. The Bronzes like I said, arenât netural. like all Dragons they pursue their own agenda. Wrathion is a good example of this.
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So long as the son doesnât go after those offenderâs sons, sure. Go crazy. Vengeance quests are about having fun and making friends along the way.
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it all started with the War of the Ancients. As confirmed in Legion (when you find Broxigarâs axe), the timeline in which we play is not the original one, but after the alteration to include time travelers in WotA.
On top of that, by pulling Demonâs Soul from the past, it was pushed further away.
Yes, Nozdormu âjustifiedâ it by claiming that the Hour of Twilight must be prevented. But itâs not âpreserving itâ. The story went in a direction of bronze dragonflights doing things they think are best instead of what they were given powers for.
I mentioned magâhar, botani, saberons, and other stuff they allowed to come in, and continuing this âI know whatâs bestâ approach.
[although I do need to refresh my memory on aspects ever bringing up their neutrality].
Not in WoW though.
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Meh, the Bronze dragonflight have always been the most detached and functionalist of the Flights. Its easy to forget that with how personable Chromie is, but generally they only do what they believe they need to âpreserveâ or âlead toâ a desired timeline. So it might be better not to stress it, and just consider their interference in bringing in the AU Magâhar survivors as no different than Nosdormuâs blessing of Nordrassil (probably knowing full well when he did that the way it would be used, playing into his refusal to re-bless it after). For him at least I feel pretty safe in assuming his blessing was just a tool. He wasnât being nice.
I think a better comparison would be allowing the blue dragon eggs older Krasus found to survive, as in the original timeline they died.
For the bronze dragonflight, as long as the key moments in the timeline happen (like say the culling of strath, opening of the dark portal etc), the minor details can change. This implies that there isnât really a butterfly effect in WoW unless one of those key events changes.
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Well, Murozond will still be a thing, so, is there really no effect - not sure tbh. Weâll know more once we learn about the origins of the infinite dragonflight.
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Itâs also possible that alt-Draenor is dying because the Magâhar were continuing to abuse/dominate the elements through dark shamanism which Garrosh introduced to them decades earlier.
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Arenât they one of the most involved dragon flights of all? Perhaps behind the red dragons.
Itâs ironic that you cite in-game events and comments against my case, but are willing to make assumptions for your side. Given the magnitude of AU Gromâs crimes, his punishments shouldâve prevented him from having ANY leadership position regardless of the circumstances (be it through imprisonment, exile or death).
Hakuro is right, AU Grom as the Magâhar leader is bad writing, especially if Blizzard wants to make Yrelâs group completely in the wrong.
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Detached more in the sense of moral detachment. The other dragonflights are mostly fundamentally good (barring the old gods corrupting the black flight), really, while the bronzes are more morally inscrutable.
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