DF season 2 M+ 4 million fewer keys run than DF season 1

Or maybe, players care about gear in a progression based game. And the new gearing system has made gearing so easy that they don’t have to run much anymore for upgrades.

Raid participation is probably down as well.

Some of us lived through WoD. This is still better than that.

This season’s pool is probably the most balanced. Difficulty, affixes, time to completion, etc. It’s just not that fun to play.

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:thinking:

I would say that a big part of what is keeping these forums active is that as soon as anyone has anything to express about the game, the same white knight crew comes out to defend it no matter what.

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This season’s pool is probably the most balanced. Difficulty, affixes, time to completion, etc. It’s just not that fun to play.

I don’t think there’s a substantial decrease in complaints about this season compared to other seasons.

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I mean. Doesnt really disagree with anything I said.

The implication I was referring to was that anything anti-Blizz would get deleted/censored. All I am saying is that clearly isn’t the case.

But I guess we can pretend like what you said is true, too.

Or that we just want an echo chamber of only negative things. Or something. I don’t know.

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The fact people hate this new role tells you all you need to know about the current end game of WoW. You can’t balance competitive content in a MMO with 39 specs around 5 man dungeon speed running. M+ should have never been a “pillar” of the end game.

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Never was an issue dude. Even in Classic now, people just fill the party for dungeons, class choice is largely based on people not wanting people other rolling on upgrades for them.

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I was a dps shaman during this time period.

The amount of “tank/healer lfg. rogue/mage/hunter” was non stop

Every group wanted 2 hard ccs. Minimum. So much so that it became common knowledge that one marker was for sap, and another for sheep/trap.

So it definitely was an issue.

In classic today its less of an issue because people have gotten more used to how trivial the content is. Which I also don’t feel is the best way to correct balance. “Make it so easy it doesnt matter what you do”

The forums are, and have always been since at least late vanilla when I discovered them, been primarily negative about the game.

Well we for sure the community toxicity not helping for get game awards for best community…again!

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alright, so is this 4 million fewer keys out of a certain number?

what is the comparison to? its it 100 million? so only 4%

or is it out of 5 million so its 80%?

without a comparison this statement is lacking context.

if its 33% fewer thats 8 mill out of 12 mil then its potentially no change because season 2 still has time before it goes to season 3.

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Numbers are taking from season 1 mate. 63% drop in M+ participation for season 2 so far.

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Classic is not Vanilla, almost like you can’t travel back in time.

But we don’t have a 63% drop…

Got any proof???

We did have a 63% drop.

2,363,943 keys completed Season 2

DF season 1 6,715.346 keys completed.

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Proof. What numbers are you comparing them to, and where are they from?

Right from raiderio, I just posted them above.

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DF season 2 keys completed:
21,119,440

DF Season 1 keys completed:

36,215,933

How are you getting 2.3 million and 6.7 million?

Note: Season 2 is not over yet.

Source for these numbers?

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Raider.io . as you said.