they have that choice… currently it is employment elsewhere… or is it?? Twitter recently laid off what? 8,000 peeps… Google 12,000? Amazon 27,000, META 21,000…
I used to work in Pittsburgh where we were required to go into the office every day. I moved to WFH and moved to Corning NY area where taxes and rent are 1/5th the cost of living in that city. I now work for another company closer to home.
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Also factual. Though it might be the poverty line to him if he buys 4 Starbucks Chanticos (Grande size) daily, and needs to have sushi on a daily basis as well as Session IPAs at the bar; after work.
For me? It was a can of Ravioli I heated in the company microwave at lunch followed up by a sandwich I made the night before for dinner. Nothing spectacular, or gourmet but the money saved was money earned.
Sometimes when you are a peon working at the bottom of the food chain you should eat what a peon would eat. When you become the Warchief, you can eat like a Warchief. Not before, or you will be poor. That has been my experience and so that is how I have always handled finance. It works well.
And former employees can say. “Hey! I’ll come back!” and undermine your demands. 
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Thank you Mr. Marx.
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But you’re not ‘saving money’. You have to buy another house.
A lot of people have found they can get by just fine communicating with their team using stuff like Teams, email, Slack, group chats, etc. I’m hybrid and I don’t have any trouble with it.
If you work remote you can live somewhere that’s less expensive than Orange County. Ever look at what a house costs near Irvine?
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Sure I did, I saved about $1920 a month in rent and continue to save that by living in a trailer park on the outskirts of some podunk town where I have unlimited internet. Cox limited my internet in Pittsburgh. It is SO much cheaper living here than it EVER was living in Pittsburgh.
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Excuse me sir how much is blizzard paying their lowest paid developer and is it less or more than the max salary allowed for a family of 4 getting food stamps living in orange county?
I’ll take my answer off the air.
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Both of these claims are a bit spurious.
The main cost saving is in rent but a company that already has a lease on office space doesn’t have the option to downsize right away.
And the workers may be more efficient for how they balance work and personal time but how does that benefit the company? If you have 6 hours of work to do on a given day you still have 6 hours of work to do whether your home or at the office. Again, the benfits to individual workers is obvious but I don’t see how this makes the work more efficient for the company.
What’s interesting in my business (TV/Movies/Ads) is we’re seeing a big shift as the econmony is pushing many companies to make huge layoffs. It’s going from a sellers (workers) market to a buyers (business) market.
I know many companies in my sector are actually using the back to the office push as a sleezy way to cut staff without having to pay severence since they know a good number of employees who’ve moved since Covid will likely quit if forced to come back. The first ones getting canned are almost always those who moved far away.
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QFT
Also if I was a female, I’d want to stay the heck away from their offices after what went on in the company
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I mean they could if they were inclined to race to the bottom. Most people aren’t though so…
Going from struggling to rent in an area where homes cost $1.2 million, to owning a home for $450k, is absolutely saving money on housing. It’s actually better than saving money because you get equity in a home instead of throwing it away on rent.
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I think my biggest plus of working from home was not having to work with people I didn’t like. I am back in an office 5 days a week sometimes I get to WFH but I like where I work now. That being said, there are things holding people back that WFH freed people from so I can see it from both sides.
If that’s your best comeback, then when I consider the various titles I was fortunate enough to work on and create; as well as how they were recieved… I will call your bluff and quote a Warcraft Developer from yesteryear.
TO THE GROUND!!
If work from home works, then do it. But it relies on the honor system in many cases to work correctly. If it does not work correctly (and it sounds like certain parties are making it defeat the very purpose it was designed to solve), then it is an issue which the company must necessarily address.
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What am I supposed to do with this information
they aren’t unionized - and the diversity hires won’t be protected by claiming discriminination if the employer decides to just fire them.
This is why there is so much inflation people.
Technically, you’re not saving anything by paying rent, so you can convince yourself you’re saving money in the long run, but buying a house is way cheaper.
This isn’t true. Cost of living is a reflection of what ‘amenities’ are offered. If you live in an area with lower cost of living, the less amenities you have.
You realize there’s more than one county to live in? A developer is well off compared to people who work an hourly wage, so cut the crap about living in ‘poverty’.
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Quote Willy Wonka IMHO.
Like anything, there are goo and bad. Some companies will will benefit from remote work, some won’t.
It depends on the business & the employees. A friends daughter works for Statefarm Insurance. Covid forced them to work at home. The company discovered the employees were more efficient. They also factored the profits saved by not paying rent for a big office building, work supplies, etc.
It benefited “them” so much that they chose to stay with the work from home policy.
Some types of work might not be able to adapt to this model as well though…
Like everything else in life… there is no one answer fits all.
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Clown as always. Many of the employees quitting because of RTO don’t live in California or Texas