It really is funny how the reactionaries completely miss the point of what the guy is saying.
The employees aren’t crying about having to return to the office. They are finding different jobs and leaving Blizzard which is the problem.
You’ve all been trained to get angry when you hear specific buzzwords, and it’s very apparent in this thread.
Blizzard is bleeding employees, and it’s the talented ones that are going to find better jobs and bounce.
If they find a job thats more willing to work with em on this, good on them!
If you think the WEF and Goldman have anyone’s best interests at heart, then have at it.
Your hyperbole is noted. No one that works at Blizzard if on welfare. I guaranty that.
And if you are jealous of the executive salaries then do what they did. They went to college, got the useful degrees and climbed the corporate ladder. You are not entitled to executive level pay when you aint an executive.
You want stock market money? Then invest in Blizzard. The stock holders arent getting money from trees. They invest just like you can.
The CEO is responsible for a corporation that employees thens of thousands of people. He/she is responsible for the company making money so it can pay the entitled workers too. They have the most responsibility so they deserve the highest salary.
No one is stopping anyone from becoming what they are jealous of. Pay the price do the work.
Boomlets definition of a living wage.
To be able to afford a house that their parents spent 30 years working for, They want it the first day they enter the work force.
To be able to afford a brand new 65k dollar car from the day they graduate college or high school with little ot no experience or real world living.
To have every thing free down to groceries, healthcare, child care etc etc just so they have more money to spend of toys.
To not have to work over 30 hours a week but want top level executive salaries because they showed up for work and sit on their phones all day.
You start at the bottom and work your way up. And you wonder why businesses are demanding more worker visas from the govt?? Those immigrants on visas aint afraid to work and understand what true poverty is.
Exactly why I listen to them about the economy. They don’t have anyone’s interests at heart because they’re focused on the economy. WFH was 7% before the pandemic, then it jumped to 60% during, and now afterwards it’s 35% and falling because a majority of the jobs are not sustainable through WFH.
pewresearch/org/short-reads/2023/03/30/about-a-third-of-us-workers-who-can-work-from-home-do-so-all-the-time
Commercial real estate is one of the most expensive investments around and drop in value means drop in their portfolio assets. The folks you mentioned, have a ton of their wealth tied up in the current paradigm. WFH hits them in their pockets. They don’t want that.
Always track the money. They have a very very vested interest in maintaining the status quo of large corporate spaces.
I am not sure why someone would listen to the world level elite bankers when talking about worker quality of life vs income.
Because worker quality of life is subjective. Income is not. When your entire argument rests on the foundation of ‘you just don’t feel like returning to work’ when your boss asks you too, it’s flat out childish.
You want to find another job, go ahead, but don’t pretend that your leaving sets some sort of example that WFH is effective when everything points against it.
That’s extremely dramatic. Most people my age (late 20s) just want to be able to afford a home without needing roomates. The problem with that is my generation was also misguided into thinking a degree = guaranteed career.
I’m thankful to myself for not listening to my boomer parents about going into higher education because I got a trade instead and am a home owner because of it.
People acting like working in an office somehow makes you more productive. I can do my job in less than 3 hours per day, with zero distraction and the ability to just sit down and do it. When I was still working in the office, I would watch everyone do everything but work. Coffee breaks, hanging out at other people’s desks, gossiping in the lunch room, smoke breaks, extended bathroom breaks, sitting there and pretending to look busy while they scroll Twitter or play LoL/Hearthstone. In my 20s and early 30s, I hated working with those people because they generally made as much, if not more than me, and produced less than one fifth of my work. After watching the economy crash and burn, twice now, and surviving through layoffs and downsizing, I’ve learned to never show an employer what I’m actually capable of anymore cause they will just use me to burnout and discard me at will. Working hard and being loyal gets you absolutely no where in life.
Personally, I don’t think there’s any amount of money that could entice me to work in an office again, especially in a high cost-of-living urban centre. Blizzard is notorious for paying their employees peanuts, they rely on the “passion” of young grads who don’t know how to advocate for themselves. They are predators.
The workers are not your enemy, the ruling class are.
My boomer parents bought a brand new house in a brand new subdivision on my dad’s salary as a welder for the railroad. They owned 2 cars, they had three kids, they went on vacations. No one who works for that same railroad company doing that same job can afford a house in the same area anymore, and it’s not even a nice part of the city these days. Nor can they afford a family on that single wage.
You don’t bootstrap your way out of inflation and a concerted effort to depress wages. You can’t shoestring budget your way out of the rich and powerful buying up all the property and turning it into rental or vacation properties. Hard work means nothing, no one works harder than minimum wage workers. The vast majority of C-Suite executives, who hold all the power in this world, haven’t actually worked an honest day in their lives. I’d love to see them unload trailers for Wal-Mart, stock shelves at grocery stores, or pick orders at the mega Amazon warehouses without immediately being fired.
This is such a naive thought that accomplishes nothing but limited opportunity and potential. Those that think like this are their own enemy.
It’s going to be more and more difficult for people your age to actually own a home. There are some projections that say 40 percent of homes could be owned by investment firms by the year 2030. Wall Street has learned from 2008. Screw the mortgages, just own the properties and set the rent as high as they can get away with.
Not only that, property values and their corresponding taxes are intentionally being raised by Politicians on the take to Realtors; so as to make more people lose their homes. Guess who buys them when they are repossessed by the State?
Yep it’s one of the reasons my partner and I decided to quickly buy a house in small town that was exploding. There was basically no houses for sale in the area we lived and knew it wasn’t long until there would be no houses for sale in general fairly soon.
It’s all pretty messed up.
Grandpa, (and I say that with love, as I’m likely exponentially older than you), you need to expand your personal experience if your imagination is broken.
In any professional tech environment, especially software development, all the “tools” are computer based.
Communication is the same especially because in today’s professional environments, it’s essential to have a written or video record of all professional communications that transpire, including meetings, so you can prove what was, and was not said.
Dang you salty
“You have to go into the office sometimes.”
“YOU HATE WORKERS.”
That’s not how the world works. Many, many, MANY jobs require in-person workers. Development et al. isn’t always one of them, but having them come in every so often isn’t like Pharaoh forcing 20,000 Hebrews to build the pyramids. JFC.
Not really all that surprising considering how all these big companies seem to just milk people now, and this isn’t just about gaming companies either, this is about america at large.
So I wouldn’t really believe that employees or developer’s were being treated properly either. Or paid well for that matter.
At the end of the day, it is all about making as much money as they can, ethicly or not, the more money the better. It has nothing to do with fair work practices, or employee treatment, or customer satisfaction. It is all a facade at the end of the day.
That and the economy is broken. Everything is to expensive now, which, I mean, how much do these companies think they can keep this up before customers on average just stop paying insane prices for them. People in charge raise prices because they know they can get away with it, even though they really don’t need to, but for how long. I dunno. I am sick of it though lol.
What confounds some of these situations even further is that facebook and twitter and tik tok, and those types of places exist now. And it just amplifies everything ten times over. The spread of information. Money making potential, often times without having do really do anything, or have any talent. Rare to see anyone become famous with zero talent back in the days before the internet. It is just insane to me seeing some of the stuff that passes for entertainment now. And of course, I have seen some of the dumbest ideas, and some of the dumbest products actually get crowdfunded to. And some of these ideas and products, actually make it to market. Like good lord the internet, was just a mistake. It raises the stakes. The barrier to entry for a con artist is just non existent now.
I feel like when it comes to working, it is basically the 1950’s all over again. The working conditions are terrible. People don’t get paid enough. And stuff is way to expensive. It truly does seem that way anyway. They obviously did not have the internet, but I feel like we are falling into the same trap.
We also have to deal with political correctness and hyper inclusivity in the work place now. I hate that bullcorn. People just take advantage of that stuff to. Like, man, someone looked at me. Oh god. Better report that person to the HR Asap. It only encourages stupid people to do stupid stuff like that.
I am sorry, But If I ran a business, I would want normal people working for it. Not stupid people. Oh but stupid people still give money and pay taxes. So what. And I am not talking about just any stupid person. I am talking about people who choose to be stupid. That is the issue. Alot of folks choose to be stupid. They really are not stupid though. Those people are just borderline narcissists, and I just would not want those people working for me.
I mean, you have folks with disabilities, and that is all fine and good, but these people are not stupid. Or dumb. I cannot stand the people who choose to be stupid. Who create unecessary drama. Those people are not worth my time. But to any big company, if you have 2 hands and 2 legs, who cares how annoying you are. Doesn’t matter if you are a borderline terrible human being in general, come on in. You still pay taxes at the end of the day lol.
I mean corporate america, is corporate america. Nothing is new. But it is reaching it’s apex these days. The amount of stupid situations is getting insane. Prices are getting insane to. Big companies are allowed to take advantage of the internet to the fullest extent. To not only milk players and consumers, customers to death. But also employees to. The making workers work at the office probably benefits the big dogs in some way. But maybe they are doing this just to be jerkbags to. Maybe a combination of the 2.
It isn’t really isn’t all that surprising seeing all the stuff going on around me when it comes to working to be honest. Working has always been annoying and bad. But now, it is really terrible. I don’t remember being in the same types of situations when I was a kid. Seems like the young adult crowd are not really good workers anymore either. You take what you can get I guess.
I mean, no one really wants to work anymore either. But I feel like proper working conditions and a functioning economy would help with that. But alot of today’s young kids, I shudder to see the future in the next 10 to 15 years or so.
Senior Software Engineer, Engine Systems
Salary
$101,000.00 - $186,754.00 Annual.
Levels.FYI for Greater LA (I can’t get to Irvine specifically) says…
$193K base salary at Amazon (does not include a $160k yearly stock grant) - total comp $350K+
$169K base at MSFT ($43k yearly stock) - total comp $230k+
$208K base at Google ($100k yearly stock) - total comp $320K+ (looks like they get a bonus too)
The cost of living index in Irvine, CA is 180 compared to 150 in CA vs 100 for US average. Irvine is also higher than Seattle (160), Columbus, OH (86!), and LA (176).
Just wanted to share. You might think the salary for a senior engineer is really great but there is no guarantee for any incentive compensation. So total comp is what you see in the range above. When compared to industry it lacks severely to other employers.
This guy gets it.
its unfortunate but he’s probably just self selected to not be employed at ABK for much longer. Especially since he dared to question the DIE ideology.