It’s okay, WoW can remain one of the only modern MMOs that is so bad at PvP balance it has to completely exclude an entire role from any meaningful play. Surely that’s a sign of well balanced and well designed PvP. /s
Then again, nobody takes WoW PvP seriously outside of the fraction of a fraction of the playerbase anymore. Wonder why that is.
They don’t care. WoW’s game Devs are so anti-tanks that they literally just removed the tank que from Solo Shuffle a month ago and now have 30+ minute que times (some ppl reported hours) due to it. They rather destroy an entire end game activity than have tank ques.
Tanks have their place in pve and RBGs. They do not have a place in arena.
Good thing tanks all have access to a dps specialization and some have a healing specialization as well.
The people watching the AWC would disagree.
But feel free to find a game that lets you play the tank role in pvp. Since WoW pvp is so bad you aren’t missing much.
Lol called it.
1550
They didn’t remove tank ques. They made it so tanks Que as dps not the healer role.
It made solo shuffle better because tanks instead of healers was awful gameplay.
Try to have a clue about what you’re talking about.
Getting a tank in solo shuffle is annoying, just trying to get my alt a mog, and we got this guy over here throwing.
Exactly it shouldn’t be annoying. They should be competitive and give you a chance to win if they are gonna be Qued with you as a Dps.
Even if they were the best dps in the game, unless the healer is braindead, they’d still be throwing.
Only prot paladin is even semi effective, because it can actually offheal decently enough.
Well then they need to find a place for them. In their words they won’t Ban Tanks from Solo Que. So being Anti-Tank just hurts everyone in the community that gets Qued with Tanks. Right now Tanks fill a Dps spot and need to be competitive in that Dps spot. Otherwise it’s just griefing teams that waited.
So the Devs need to take a more direct action instead of just nerf and walk away and expect everything to be fine cause it’s not. The Devs need to buff Tank utility and design them better if they are gonna continue to allow them to Que as Dps.
Give every tank some unique MS and Dispel that is better than Dps. So they fill a role if they hate giving Tanks competitive damage.
Id argue one of the major issues with Arena Esports is the god awful spectator client. I mean damn how is it still so bad in 2022?
Its one of the only Esport Spectator clients you watch where you NEVER see the game from the player’s perspective. Your always in this Bird’s eye view of the action and its hard for even experienced Arena players to even know whats going on.
YOu would think by now they would learn to maybe zoom into a player’s perspective of the action, ala CS:Go. CS:Go has a bird in teh sky view, then when the action is coming up, it swaps into first person mode. I should go into a healer’s viewpoint when hes healing through a go on a dps. I should go into a DPS’s viewpoint when they are going for a kill, etc.
I honestly blame the spectator client on a lot of WoW’s issues. Viewers need something to relate to. Something they can use in game themselves when they go play after the matches. If I’m watching a LoL match, and I see an Insec, I can immediately go try that same move in League. Or some cheeky backdoor, or some other play, or an item build. If I see a shot or something in CS:Go, I can go try those same things in CS:Go. In WoW, theres almost no relatability to what your watching and what you experience while playing arena.
I mean people watch Arena STREAMS all the time, from first person perspectives. To learn. To apply things they see, etc. You cannot do that with the Tournament spectator client. Its just a flat out mess, and if it wasnt for the announcers trying to explain everything, you wouldnt have a clue. Its literally like watching a simulation of arena, instead of an actual arena match. Its like you are playing Arena Manager 2022.
Its just bad, Ive said to for years, and one of the main reasons its just not popular as an Esport. The most popular Esports in the world have the best spectator clients, and generally what you see on screen you can instantly try in game. Id even argue one of Overwatch’s downfalls is how bad it is to watch, too. Its just not good to watch. Watch-ability is one of the most underrated parts of a popular Esport title.
Kind of funny how tanks whip that line out when dps whines about pve slots. you have a tank spec! that door swings both ways lol.
but yeah. while some tanks aren’t liking this, pvp around tnaks leads to bad things.
some like to bust on eve for its infamous blob warfare. Do you need 100 people? Umm, sometimes…yes. We could use 200 actually. only 100 answered the ping.
here is how it got here.
Battleship meta to capital ship class meta. Bring many big tanky shooty ships.
then eve had fun battlecruiser meta. Drake fleets. eve players will get that reference.
how do you kill them? Bring even more big tanky shooty ships.
and this is why if one has ever looked over a eve killmails you see 10 dudes on 1 killmail. no one wants to take 2 minutes to kill 1 brick fit battleship. 10 people, drop em in 20 seconds.
20 people, 10 seconds.
and wow doesn’t have this option. 40 on 40 max retail (wrath wg is 120 on 120 when full). or 3 on 3 arena.
one time in eve an alliance tournament (eve’s AWC basically)
each side had 1 ship left. Both maruaders (a battleship on steroids). Golems… missile using boats so even the dps took forever to hit with missile flight times lol.
they actually had to speed up the game time for the arena node as this was taking forever. modest dps, very strong tank, very nice self repair.
even sped up…this match was long as hell.
next years tournament to avoid this here is what ccp did. they banned maruaders from entering the tourney. this ban was permanent. No tourney has allowed maruaders again since then lol.
That’s a whole lot of words to say they lacked creativity. Instead of excluding a unit from a portion of content, they could have justed added something like Dampening or a damage amp over time. If they were too powerful to begin with, that’s just piss poor balancing.
I’ll just refer you to this statement:
Actually, several MMOs I’ve played across the years viably integrated tanks into arena settings.
Ah, yes. The “I’m higher rating than you so your opinion is invalid” take.
I did Rated Arenas to any actual extent once. That was to help a friend who wanted the set from 1800, which he got. I considered that a success.
Now that we’ve gotten your e-flexing out of the way, did you have a point?
Oh, and remind me, who watches AWC again?
Hint, it really isn’t much of the playerbase, given how small of a fraction the active PvP playerbase is compared to the overall playerbase.
And how many of them are relevant today?
Yeah, you dont have a clue what youre talking about.
More than watches any other MMO with Arena.
Any more or less than WoW is today?
And I’m supposed to take your word for it, random no-name?
At least I’m not pretending I’m a voice of authority that should be listened to. I’m just voicing my opinion.
That’s not saying a lot. 
So name them.
You are more than welcome to look me up on checkpvp.
Never claimed to be the voice of authority. I just said I am the one with experience and a credible opinion.
That isnt credible at all.
Still a no-name pretending to be a voice of authority.
Actually, no, you just want to shut down discussion by attempting and failing to flex.
Just as credible as yours, or anybody else who’s posted in this thread.
Never claimed that. Just that I have credible experience compared to those that dont have any.
Nope, I offered my opinion. You and Abomb got mad because of it.
I would say that someone with multiple classes above 2200 has more experience than someone with 1500 experience.
Mhm, totes.
Not much of an opinion.
Congratulations! I’m so happy that you focus on PvP to such an extent. Still doesn’t change my opinion.
Though if we want to discuss credibility on this topic specifically, I actually would have more credibility regarding tank integration, no? Seeing as I’ve played games that actually did it well, and I’m not the one sitting here shouting “ree tanks go back to PvE”.
It’s okay to be silent when you have nothing to contribute.
Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it less of an opinion.
Games that you wont name. Even then this isnt those games so no that would not be true.
Take your own advice when you have zero clue what you are talking about.