Yes delves 8 are equivalent to 4/5 keys.
Nope. Even week one delves at level 8 were braindead.
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Lowering the rewards and keeping them in the same content doesnt change the time it would take to gear.
If it takes a couple months now, it would take a couple months with a revised system.
Take a group of delvers, entire group without a single person above 585 ilvl, and have them time a 5 key
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100% agree with this. Delves are great…They nerf the rewards and they will stunt the growth of a successful new pillar. Delves have massive potential to capture the solo player market…
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How so?
Take hero track away from the vault. Put champion there instead. Still end up at 619 ilvl. Its still progression. Absolutely nothing changed about delves and their gameplay.
How does doing that stunt growth??
It seems to me that part of the problem, perhaps the biggest?, is that players are failing to use mythic rating and/IO score stuff when forming M+ groups. I don’t participate in M0/M+, but why would someone accept someone with ilvl ~619 but with a very low mythic rating/IO score? As with Delves, why not make it so that, say, you must complete a M3+ for a particular dungeon before attempting an M4+ for that dungeon?
A more recent interview said they aren’t going to expand delves past Hero track but otherwise would leave the rewards alone. The interviews sound conflicting but they really aren’t, because they never said in either that they might reduce rewards.
The bigger issue is that people whined WAY too much about Tier 8 delves at launch, and in response Blizzard took a sledgehammer to the difficulty instead of attempting to fine-tune the reasons why Tier 8s were a pain for some classes to begin with. They removed what little progression there was between the tiers with that set of changes.
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And this is the reason why Delvers go to M+, to get crests, if it weren’t for this no delver in their right mind would touch M+ considering how toxic the people are there.
Don’t want delvers in M+? Buff the amount of crests that can be obtained in delves, that will automatically lower the amount of delvers that are registered in M+
Oh! I almost forgot, for all M+ lovers, it’s about time you felt how the raiders felt the day Blizzard put your 
content.
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Soon we will have goblin delves!
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Good point.
Delves from launch made my gearing easier to do other content.
Now the other content doesn’t really feel rewarding when I compare the difficulty of both esp on alts.
Exactly. Meanwhile we got trolls like Snozay constantly brigading these threads claiming till they’re blue in the face that delves tookerrrrrrrrrrrjerrrrrrbbbbbbbss! This despite the fact that I’ve repeatedly shown that he’s straight up lying about the topic. SMH.
M+ runners at this point:
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Makes little difference. True delvers are getting full hero track gear from running maps, not waiting around for one vault slot a week.
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Actual issues:
Delve keys were available for weeks before they opened.
Delves opened a week before M+.
Delves (group) were gimmies when they opened.
M+ was scaled high when it opened and took weeks before adjustments.
No reasonable way to farm crests in delves.
Somewhat issues:
Delve tuning - a bit on the easier side which seems mostly due to Blizzard tuning them the same for all class / specs (though some differences for role), so tuning is set for the worst class / spec. Also the difficulty is more about pacing and managing incoming damage than any challenging mechanics, and since it is solo, the player doesn’t have to deal with someone else screwing up.
Follower - most of the ‘I run these on fresh alts’ players also have fully geared and well leveled up Brann to use as a crutch. See also tuning - tuned to not require a leveled up companion, as well as some class / specs much easier based on the ‘mechanics’ that consist of spam caster mobs and unavoidable damage.
Non issues:
Getting one random hero track item a week.
Getting 4-5 random champ items a week.
Getting an inexperienced player in a higher level key.
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they kind of are, but they also are not.
but I also think that they main systems are for different player bases.
delves are not designed for players whose primary focus is m+. delves are designed for the much more casual, typically solo player.
m+ dungeons are for people who want consistent challenge and a way to push themselves as far as possible.
delves have a ceiling. get to it and you are done.
also, while the ilevel of d8 might be competitive with m+, the power level isn’t. none of the BiS items come from delves. delves gives you the type of gear that lets you stomp the PVE world and/or get ready for more challenging content.
m+ just keeps going.
the idea that the m+ experience is somehow ruined because a d8 coffer (limited number of these btw) gives better gear than a m5, for example, just doesn’t fit.
if you are a “serious” m+ player, you are probably pushing for +10 and portals, or at least +8/9 for KSM.
a more casual player is either just running +4s for crests to max their gear, or perhaps pushing +6/7s for KSH.
if you play the game with the sole purpose of maximizing gear, then m+ isn’t even the place to do that. mythic raiding is where you want to be.
mythic raiders probably feel that being “forced” to run m+ in order to get gear for mythic raiding isn’t “fair”.
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But yoir loot is better from raids/m+ then deleves. Delve is just genric loot. If you look at bis gear most of it is from M+ or raid.
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I feel like you could replace the word delve with mythic+ and replace mythic+ with raiding and this would read pretty much the same way from how it’s worked the last 8 years.
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There are delve pieces that would be BIS if it was possible to myth track them. Reactive Webbed Escutcheon and some of the delve trinkets are very good but you can only get them hero track at best so they don’t get considered for BIS lists.
This, Delves have their issues but it’s a matter of tuning, not gear, it’s something that will be resolved in time and anyone who has been playing WoW long enough knows that this would happen, just remember how M+ practically killed the concept of get gear with Raid during BfA. I had to stop raiding in that expansion because ALL guilds required farming M+ to get gear before raiding.
They take some skill compared to delves.
Like grizzle said. Take 5 only delvers in 586 gear and watch to see if they time a 5 
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Always funny when people resort to saying people are trolling because they can’t refute facts.
It’s why you can’t actually name what I was lying about because pro tip I wasn’t actually lying.