Counterpoint: No
If you have bad luck on drops, you can still upgrade your gear.
This system is in addition to drops. You don’t have to upgrade your gear, if visiting the vendor is too much of a bother.
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If you view the upgrade system as a replacement the war/titanforging of Legion/BFA, then it’s much better.
Even before all that, when looking at MoP/Cata, it wasn’t always get the item once then done, because you could then maybe get the heroic version, which is basically the same as 1 upgrade track higher.
Remember when you got an item drop and boom you were done with it for the rest of the season at least.
Yea, I remember waiting for RNG to bless me with a new item.
I like the upgrade system. It’s more deterministic. Less RNG.
Also being done with upgrades for the rest of the season isn’t a good thing in my eyes. Like I want a reason to run BGs.
Bring back reforging please n thank you.
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6.0.2 patch if remembering correctly. Warlords patch. Mop I was still using jp to upgrade looms. Cata classic I’m using jp to buy 346gear from the vendor on top of Grommash Hold. Also using to buy looms. Only problem with upgrading in it’s current form, is that they went from just jp, and valor, and maybe badges like frost emblems to endless currencies needed for this and that. To keep you on that treadmill.
No they shouldn’t.
Should it be a bit less complicated? Sure, that would be nice. But being able to work on improving what you have rather than repeatedly doing certain game acitivities in the hope that luck will favour you, day after day, week after week…that gets depressing fast.
Would love the upgrade system to be removed. Let drops just be the drops.
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Being a mostly open world player, I miss the Legion, and BFA system tbh. Rewards would just scale up some as you got better equipped, and eventually capped at a certain point until the next content patch, unless something happened to war or titan forge which was so rare never really worried myelf over it anyways unlike some players who forced themselves to do every single thing in the game hoping for the rng forge gods to bless them 
Honestly the current stones, crests whather the heck else you know they are going to add berore tww is over doesn’t feel much different than ap. Except now you have tons of different kinds of ap lol.
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I miss Titanforging. It feels like the crest system we have now is a direct evolution from what TF was, just now it’s completely drawn out.
They went to the drawing board after they deleted TF and created a convoluted system to replace it. This game cannot exist without some form of TF, whether it be crests, a Valor token, catch up gear every 2 weeks, etc, etc. The top 5% players aren’t keeping the power on and servers running.
The only upgrades should be stuff like leg armors, shoulder inscriptions, enchants, etc.
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Love the upgrade concept but hate the hard lock with various currency with weekly/ seasonal limits.
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So much this here. The fact that I can get gear from doing open world content that I can’t upgrade all the way unless I start doing higher level raiding or M+ or wait for a vault week where there is no upgrades is garbage.
The only thing I would add is reduce the number of upgrades down to 4 instead of 8. spending all this currency on like 3 item levels at a time feels bad.
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it wouldn’t be half as bad if we could you know, only use 1 form of currency for it and not 10.
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- No they shouldn’t.
- No, we had to then get it again at a higher ilevel.
The system is exactly what some of us asked for. Once I get a piece with the stats I want, then I get to keep and upgrade it.
Stop trying to make this game worse.
Exactly.
The “players are engaged” metric shows it’s working, but only because we’re spending too much in-game time trying to sort through and decide. I’ve given up on them. I re-subbed just long enough to work through this month’s Trading Post requirements and to participate in Hallow’s End.
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There’s nothing to “sort through and decide.”
Go to upgrade NPC. See what you can upgrade. Upgrade it. If it gets replaced, you get a discount anyway.
It’s not hard.
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Valor
Honor
Gold
Wait no…it’s flightstones, uh, valorstones and some fragments of something. I use the flightstones in DF…I think.
THIS is what I’m talking about.
Valorstones have nothing to do with what you buy with gold or with Honor.
So that doesn’t even make any logical sense.
Agree, OP. I like when gear is what it is in terms of not needing to be ‘upgraded.’ The only other thing needed is a good way to change stats. Like maybe a system where you can obtain a token to change the stats to what you want. For PvP it could be purchasable with honor. Not sure why we can’t just have that. Blizz probably wanted to prop up the poopy crafting system instead.
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I would say “WHOOSH!” but you’ve been here too long.