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[Brewa-hyjal]

@Diablognomis-staghelm

ranged should be way out so they don’t spawn things in melee range

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Well, fell short, a bit:
warcraftlogs dot com/reports/MZ7Y6QrLBqTp1ARa#fight=2&type=damage-done

500 rogue clocking in at 495k.

[Diablognomis-staghelm]

@Brewa-hyjal

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

So ranged so be in melee… Perhaps melee should be at range?

My point is… For new players there’s a lot of subtle mechanics that force behaviors contrary to what you would think is common sense, like ranged damage using their range to stay out of harms way. And there’s not a lot of in game hinting as to what they should do.

[Brewa-hyjal]

As I originally said, ranged players have this bad habit in their head (learned from god only knows where) that they should be out in the middle of nowhere.

Which puts them out of AoE heals, out of tank cleave range for threat, out of taunt range even, sometimes, and too far away if they have to get to the group for a mechanical reason.

And then what do they say?

“I couldn’t get in, in time.”

Wonder why.

[Malgorok-zuljin]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

500 rogue clocking in at 495k.

Legally not 500k dps

Check mate

[Anrion-area-52]

Listed OP, 500k at 499ilvl is just a wild exaggeration and if so, a rare occurrence but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. People does in fact, score high numbers in M0 but it mostly has to do with the amount of trash pulled and well timed CDs.

Is it something common that a player that doesn’t consider itself experienced can achieve? No, it takes knowledge and experience; do not feel bad. It takes time and many tries to master your class.

A word of advice, use your cooldowns frequently and do not save them for the boss only. Quickly measure how the tank is pulling and see if a 2/3 min cooldown is worth using before the real fight comes.

Advice 2, big pulls often need you to use everything to clear it because if you don’t dps them quick enough, your tank and heals will probably give in.

Do not give up; keep it up and embrace the learning curve; after you’ve learned your class 100% everything will be ezpz and you will crave for challenge

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Rejel-westfall

@Grizzle-eredar

OP is walking away and not looking back because it didnt just fall over like over world stuff.

It was pretty early in the thread that this is not the case. So maybe you should put more effort into reading aswell.

@Rejel-westfall

As it stands now, I will likely never do mythic again

You should keep your stories straight.

@Rejel-westfall

Exactly. Stop actting like 1mil dps at this range is normal, troll.

You’re the only one who added the stipulation of ilvl

You said there was no one doing 300k overall in your CONTENT.
I can go get on this guy and run a 0 and get 300k overall. If 500 is the limit, I could do more with my Paladin or my Evoker at that ilvl

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MZ7Y6QrLBqTp1ARa#fight=2&type=damage-done

490 Paladin doing 400k:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/frnBGRmQbT7jX1pv#fight=41&type=damage-done

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

500 rogue clocking in at 495k.

Technically he was doing 571k
WCL takes into account the entire run including time out of combat. Active DPS puts him at 571k overall

[Allendor-hyjal]

What makes hard keys even doable is handling the mechanics well. This can be applies to any difficulty level.

[Diablognomis-staghelm]

@Brewa-hyjal

As I originally said, ranged players have this bad habit in their head (learned from god only knows where) that they should be out in the middle of nowhere.

Which would be the point of being ranged. You don’t march artillery right up to the enemy and shoot them at point blank, you shoot from as far a way as possible. For a new player that would be the self evident strategy.

And the game does a bad job of demonstrating that players should behave contrary to this.

[Maximorben-area-52]

@Diablognomis-staghelm

Which would be the point of being ranged.

The point of being ranged is you can hit things far away, that doesn’t mean you can only hit things from far away. Stacking your dps when you can is good for a lot of healers

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Diablognomis-staghelm

You don’t march artillery right up to the enemy and shoot them at point blank, you shoot from as far a way as possible.

No. There’s absolutely no reason you can’t stack all ranged together and all melee together without standing in front of the boss. Abilities are telegraphed and timed and have a timer before they go off.

Stack with like types, run out if marked, run back in

[Elk-thaurissan]

It’s one of things you end up picking up when you multi-role.
After healing as a Pres Evoker omg do I play ranged nicer now.

[Kaïnah-zuljin]

Did you miss the part of the same comment where they mentioned why ranged DPS shouldn’t be as far as possible…or?

[Rejel-westfall]

@Fauxstrasza-stormrage

500 rogue clocking in at 495k.

Nice what does that pink number 99% mean?

@Grizzle-eredar

@Rejel-westfall

As it stands now, I will likely never do mythic again

You should keep your stories straight.

@Rejel-westfall

As it stands now

Did you read anything else or nah?

@Grizzle-eredar

You’re the only one who added the stipulation of ilvl

So I guess not.

@Grizzle-eredar

You said there was no one doing 300k overall in your CONTENT.

Yeah, haven’t really seen people breaking 300k overall in the content I do and see with my own eyes which is why I asked to see it.

Is that a problem?

[Fauxstrasza-stormrage]

Strategies are player made. Each have different pros and cons. And sometimes the most effective one is everyone to stack on the tank.

[Grizzle-eredar]

@Elk-thaurissan

After healing as a Pres Evoker omg do I play ranged nicer now.

It’s amazing how much more you use defensives as a DPS player too after playing a Healer. I won’t lie, until about BFA i rarely touched a defensive in group setting unless i was at risk of dying. Now after maining a tank and healing quite often, I use my defensives all the freaking time

[Elk-thaurissan]

The pink number means they’re at the top of their game. It probably isn’t a fair example to be giving to someone brand new to M+ plus.

Also why are you two squabbling. Both of you made fair points now you’re just talking past each other.

[Diablognomis-staghelm]

Ok, I think we’re talking past each other here.

I’m not saying staying out in BFE is how ranged should play the game…

What I’m saying is for new players there’s not any good indications as to why they shouldn’t. It causes lots of problems when they do, but there is no clear feed back or connection that it was their behavior that’s causing the problem.

I know this, you know this, but new players… they don’t. And the game doesn’t really teach this. It’s usually someone else that told them at some point they need to come up or position “here”

[Rejel-westfall]

@Elk-thaurissan

The pink number means they’re at the top of their game. It probably isn’t a fair example to be giving to someone brand new to M+ plus.

Is that what you call their parsing number?

I feel honored they compared me as a self admitting newbie to mythics

But cool to see it exists and they weren’t lying.

[Elk-thaurissan]

Even tho I’m OCE happy to practice some with you if you want.

Are you by chance on WoWMadeEasy? It’s a pretty good judgement free community.