Or just delete this terrible percentage based damage abilities that you can spam…
Gpyro is fine. Even Ven agrees with it. The problem is you got people on here that won’t adapt to the game as it changes. They don’t play a class or understand how it plays but demand and cry for its nerf and pruning.
Hearing dillon whine about it is more cringey. I can’t tell if its out of bitterness because it happened to his class but unironically the reason Scatter + Trap is no longer a thing is exactly because every non hunter in the game whined about it until it got blown into oblivion lol.
Protip: If you don’t actually main and play a class. You probally aren’t the best one to propose changes for it.
All I see and hear these days is REEEEE SHIMMER PYRO PRUNE REMOVE NERF. Everyone solution is to revert mages back to vanilla with only a single blink and frost nova and call it a day mages fixed 100% no problem.
Kek. Attitudes like that are gonna net you snarky responses in return
Do you see me on here making threads to change/rework/prune every class I don’t know/play main daily? It would be so bad that anyone who actually played the class would cringe reading it
You realize the irony in you rating bashing this guy right when also in the same breath stating this
Realistically though, Jellybeans is a 2x Blizzcon finalist with the best tournament performances of any hunter that’s ever touched the game man, and even so you simply have way less experience than him. But you were able to win. Doesn’t that show you something when he is without a doubt the best at his class and you’d have to be delusional for you to say that you are just as good of a player as him? And there’s nothing wrong with not being as good as someone else either, but it’s just a simple truth dude. Mages are one of the worst classes against MM hunters. Your point of view on the spec is being good is you barely beating the best MM hunter in the game as a mage that has 1 gladiator title in comparison to literally a 2x Blizzcon finalist lol.
You seriously can’t be so delusional man…
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Wow wow there captain savearat. Repgod stuck his neck out with the inital snarky mention of BFA glad. I calmly told him to stop and posted his rating.
Your bias and need to antongize mages man. Idk how to respond to you these days.
You main a hunter, you play a hunter. Thats fine.
You don’t play and main a mage- Stop pretending like you have any clue on what the right move is for the class when tis clearly only deleting gpyro/shimmer lol.
Are you that delusional that you truly believe you know whats best for a class/spec you DO NOT play or main at any respectable rating?
Or do you simply dislike it so much you want it nerfed?
Stick to hunter things man. I wanna like you. I wanna respect you but your replies and threads come across wrong
That would be like me who is not a hunter main posting REEE 1 MIN ROS FROM PET COUNTER MY 2 MIN CD, NERF NERF PRUNE REEE BLIZZ. Hunter pet dmg 2 high from SV nerf REEE lower pet dmg and also increase cds of their ability
Also REEE.
Thats basically how I read any thread from someone who does not play a class but believe they know whats best for it.
Stick to hunters dude pce
I didn’t post anything about Gpyro other than it’s a silly mechanic for mages to have and they should be stronger in other ways lol, I only responded to you saying that MM was good because you beat the best hunter in the game is a hilariously silly anecdote that doesn’t actually support your argument
Also I have played mage… actually I have had gladiator on mage before you have lol
Most of your arguments are pretty silly in general, especially the ones with me not knowing about things that could be helpful for another class as if I don’t look at the same feedback other top level players give and come to similar conclusions and it’s very likely that anything I’ve ever said with regards to greater pyro would actually be agreed with in that it’s a silly mechanic to make fire viable.
I don’t even know how this went back to greater pyro though when again I simply posted just to point out the irony in your statement 
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Keyword- HAVE. Are you a mage now? do you main mage now? Grats on your glad on a mage in a season where mechanics/abilities/talents are no longer the same.
I played a hunter in cata and almost got glad does that qualify me on whats best for them years later? No it does not the classes have changed since then.
You respond in other threads often about it. I get it you don’t like gpyro you want it gone. Start by advocating mage overhaul so they arent reduced to clinging to one ability like rats on a drowning ship- YET to see you post anything related to that mr i got glad on a mage b4 you.
Still yet to see you advocate fire buffs. You actually argued with me about fireballs in another thread lol. It was so bad and showed your so out of touch with mage playstyle I didn’t respond.
Because this is yet another Gpyro thread and nearly every single one you’ve breathed your dislike of the ability without offering any meaningful input on it.
Start with mage talents, start with ability damage and cast time, start with whats wrong and clunky. PROVE to people your not just another melee dps that wants to see a glass so far gutted they become unviable until another rework.
I have yet to see you do any of that so my opion of your just bias and dislike something and want it pruned remains. Because when your sole vendetta is against abilities that you want REMOVED and not how to fix something it just shows where your head is at.
This Mage sits in durotar and duels all day, now having that knowledge it shouldn’t be hard to understand why he’s so out of tune with the game and how arena works.
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I mean it’s not like I wouldn’t be able to play mage now it’s not like it’s drastically harder I just don’t find it too enjoyable outside of frost which doesn’t really synergize with any of my partners anyways
I mean I’m not going to say it’s not a very poorly designed mechanic that’s also mostly strong because game pacing is so slow in this patch that it’s not really punishing to just sit there and spam cast greater pyro all day long - obviously that’s horrendous design when face tanking and spamming a 3 second long cast is actually a strong option as fire mage.
I’ve never said fire mages need greater pyro deleted and no help in other areas once lol, I’m not actually anywhere near that biased and I think you’re just projecting onto me dude.
I’ve given plenty of meaningful input if you really go through on it 
Clearly he’s forgotten about god-king rmxppf
remove greater pyro from the game stop these 1 button fire mage players!!!11
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Wouldn’t “almost glad” be duelist? But your first duelist was in BFA, so I’m confused Mr. Rating Basher
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It was on his other account.
Remove gpyro
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this thread is full of entertainment. dilly seems to have been really chill about this whole thing tho @setback. hes got a really good point. the best hunter in the world should not really have to compete in skill vs a 2500xp fire mage. the man has almost won bcon twice and is like 3200xp+
i think ur taking the thread a bit too far. no one is saying to kill off fire mage, gpy just is a bit stupid. flame cannon spec should be the go to spec for 3s imo
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Nah, just delete it. The memories of me being deleted by Mitch and graycen last season still hurts.
This account was made end of Legion. Yet I’ve played other expansions and vanilla. Lets take it by the steps what could you logically deduce from that? Cmon single digit IQ I believe in you.
Which means what? You could be best player in the entire world but abilities dont scale off rating.
Last I checked that is. Damage is damage whether your 3k or 1500 in identical gear in traits. The button still does the same damage. So I’m trying to understand what point is to be made here???
I said MM does a lot of damage this remains true regardless of rating. Abilities don’t scale off rating never have never will thats now how any of this work. So saying AMGMFAHDKJF LORDY JESUS THEB EST HUNTER EVAR22!?~ lost to you!?!? u made my poitn!?!?!
No you made no point your just being dumb qft. Just like legion where there is no difference between a 1500 frost DK and a 2500 frost DK. Damage is damage and has nothing to do with rating
Just like gpyro. Whether its the best mage in the world casting it or some new mage 35% is 35%.
Bringing up rating in a discussion about a specs damage is just an attempt at ad hominem. The fact I have to take the time to type this out to rub someones nose in it like a naughty puppy who pooped on the floor baffles me.
He knew what he typed, and why he typed it and it had nothing to do with the spec itself. MM does ALOT of damage plain and simple like I said. If it had utility to back it or had some arpen talents like WW it would be S tier instantly.
What does that have to do with rating? Qft and qf being dumb
The point is that if the damage is so broken, and you’re playing the spec thats countered the hardest by it, and even so you can still beat the best hunter of all time imagine how mediocre the spec is vs evenly skilled players as him. Its best damage is vs cloth.
Also your example of using greater pyro and stating “a 1500 mage and 3k mage using it do the samd damage” is actually part of the problem with greater pyro anyways lol. It’s super efficient at all times and there’s no reason to manage being optimal.
But still, for other situations the difference in pressure between good and bad players actually is there. The best players will simply set up their damage way better in PvP than bad ones and if you don’t understand or see that then idk what to tell you lol
That’s one big notable difference between high and low rated teams for years that the best teams actually optomize their damage better than lower teams while also doing everything else properly.
Your speaking of a spec who’s only strength is vs mages and that’s pretty much it and describing you’re still able to beat it even when they’re better than you so that has to obviously show something. Mostly that even with good damage vs mages it’s clearly super easy to avoid and play around as well as shut down as long as you have basic awareness.
I mean also if we’re going to go towards greater pyro discussions again it should be obvious how silly it is thst when in RMD vs RMD tourney mirrors people use it and RMD ironically is the best possible comp at shutting down greater pyro yet it’s still valuable and gets spammed all game (actually my favorite part of seeing this matchup was it was when neurotoxin was bugged so you had bugged neurotoxin shutting greater pyro down and it was still worth taking lmao). There’s huge problems with the game when it becomes reasonable to take that ability in that situation.
Did I say the damage was broken? I don’t think I did. I said it does ALOT of damage. Stop being obtuse my man
Is MM lacking damage or utility? Which did I say it needed?
No gpyro is fine
Your right there is and I’ve said as much. So is the solution to screech for nerfs to said ability? Or explore WHY is it better to try and cast this endlessly then spend the time trying to cast fireballs that do the same or less damage as melee autoattacks? 2.2 base cast doing that.
Gpyro was around in legion. We didn’t use it all that often even with higher haste levels.
Put the shoe on the other foot here. If your spec did such insignificant damage that the only time you actually did damage was with a 2 minute dispellable cd? If your main spell was a 2.2 BASELINE cast that does as much as a 2h melee autoattack only to proc a dispellable DISPELLABLE!! Filler that will hit from anywhere between 12k non crit and 15-21k crit at best on 200k+ HP pools.
Outside of that your only saving grace is talented 4.5 baseline cast ability that does flat damage. The community just wants to mongo your class down and collect points. Wouldn’t you sit here and be ??? rofl you guys wanna attack the ONLY thing keeping fire competitive. omegalul.
Well seeing you are a glad mage then you should have no problems streaming yourself on a fire climbing 0-2500 without using gpyro a single game. Props if you do it with LFG partners btw and don’t lean on multi r1s for smooth sailing.
Seriously indulge the mage community with an ability you say is bad for the game. Play a mage without it, hit up LFG and climb the ladder without ever using gpyro and see how great it feels when you que into any comp without it.
I promise you’ll quit within 10 games of an unholy/dh, jg, cupid, or unholy/destro wiping the floor with you and change your arguement lul.
Fire didn’t also have as much instant damage to follow up from a greater pyro in legion and you also wouldn’t just want to sit there like a baboon tanking every cast 24/7
If you really think that’s what people want to do then I have no idea lol, I don’t think a single person has said it’s unreasonable to give fire changes in other areas but to say Gpyro is not a really obnoxious mechanic is very silly. Can have any other fire mage damage option buffed and delete greater pyro. Or nerf it in some way.
It’s a toxic mechanic simple as that tbh
If I played my mage I’d be playing rogue mage not sure how that one would be possible lmao, but realistically I prefer playing frost over fire anyways
Funniest part about these arguments though is mages used to tell me this kinda stuff when I’d say there were issues in WoD and then went ahead and played mage people would say it’s gunna be super hard to play against even stuff like my own class which is probably the silliest argument because if anything that’s the matchup you’d assume people would know how to play against best just by watching what their opponents do
No one has said greater pyro isn’t necessary or making fire top tier but it’s also clearly an obnoxious mechanic. Obviously it should just be removed and have better options in place - you should never be wanting to sit there and spam cast greater pyro all game long
I’m also in favor of faster game pacing anyways though, since when I remember playing vs Samiyam last season he’d almost never play greater pyro and instead actually just made sure he avoided a ton of damage - made matchups I felt were pretty easy a lot more difficult just by putting himself in. I think when the best option as a mage is to sit there like a destro warlock and spam a 3 second cast there’s a huge issue lol. It wouldn’t ever be taken if there were limited ways to punish the casting of this ability which is the point anyways. There is a problem with it’s design. It should never be the best choice and I don’t think anyone is disagreeing it should just be replace and have adjustments elsewhere - it’s a super cheesy gimmick ability.
It’s not like I’ve never even brought up arguments of removing the same types of gimmicky abilities for my own class. Just silly to want to defend them to the ground when it’s clear there’s an issue and those specs should just have these abilities removed with other adjustments.
It’s the same as Destro warlocks tankiness, should have always been made more active with their defense. Nerfs on passive tankiness but a baseline portal for example would have been reasonable for their class. Keeping in these super OP abilities that are really forgiving though is horrible design - just like mana burn imo. If greater pyro is going to be as rewarding as it is when one goes off it needs to be higher risk too anyways, so there’s also other ways to address it like making it almost a huge throw to consider taking Greater Pyro and spam a 3 second cast lol.
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