Rethum pointed out some of the important points already, but the main point is that Gpy doesn’t do damage until it hits you. Poly breaks on damage, so you wouldn’t be stuck in a polymorph/ring/blind during the cast of a second Gpy, giving you time to LoS, etc.
For the argument about having more time to pop defensives, someone already pointed out that there’s a difference between reduced damage defensives (like AMZ), where you need to have the defensive active upon spell release, and abilities which make the Gpy do nothing (shadowmeld, hunter feign death pvp talent) where you activate them slightly before you get hit.
Decreasing the travel time would make it more difficult to meld a Gpy, but I would argue that the intersection of
{players who know how to use shadowmeld well} and {players who don’t have the reaction time to meld a fast projectile} is small.
I’m pretty against pruning, which is why I think it’s important to at least try to come up with changes which don’t completely gut an ability but perhaps give enemies more counterplay opportunity. This is why I would strongly prefer a change like decreasing travel time to the change which makes shimmer interrupt it.
Confused about something? Mages ARE the lowest PVE dps atm. Check wowlogs and look for yourself.
Its not like they can spam gpyro in pve knucklehead. If fire had to sit there and do a PVE rotation on you it would be laughable and easily manageable damage, assuming you let him cast. Frost same thing? Arcane can do dmg but too easy to lockout.
There is a reason frost games go to heavy dampening- hint its not because they are doing tons of damage,
Fire does trivial damage outside combustion and gpyro lobbing. Most DPS specs can self heal thru it. Your healer literally never has to trinket a poly.
If a class is incapable of doing relevant damage you got a problem. That problem for mages happens to be solved by gpyro
Its not rocket science 4head. If the class does the lowest DPS in the game in PVE enviroments were they have the best opportunity and freetime to do DPS and perform. What does that translate and carry over into in PVP when the majority of time they are kiting and when they do get to briefly DPS its pitiful damage at best.
You get gpyro on everyones cast bar instead thats what.
Did I really have to explain that to you?
edit: I’m pretty sure if I spec’d flamecannon and firestarter and had a PVE nukefest with a disc, he would actually kill me 1v1. Rdruids can do it with feral affinity and so can rsham. Fire itself has no enormous slow utility and control that frost brings. it just has damage- except that it doesn’t.
Fire mage would literally be the biggest joke in PVP without shimmer/gpyro lol vs any competant team. Imagine trying to cast fireball pve rotation and do dmg as fire vs cupid, dh/dk/ or any combination of double melee, or jg.
your wrong all day dude. MM does pretty nasty effin dmg. Hits like a truck and can’t be kicked.
If scatter and trap didn’t DR and you had better utility MM would be meta af rn. It sustained damage and burst is crazy high lol I fought jellybeans in 2s the other day and he had me humping for dear life low hp. We won but it was hairline close.
Seriously if MM had any buffs and sub did it thug would be the new fotm comp.
I mean, you’re a mage.
MM has always done tons of damage to mages. now send them against plate classes or destro lock/boomy and see how high that damage is lol.
Ok do you realize that you actually almost proved how bad MM is
You’re a mage - the spec MM hunters are the strongest against.
Jellybeans is arguably the best hunter to have ever touched this game.
In comparison without even being harsh on you, you are simply nowhere near the same level as he is.
The one class MM really shines against is mages
Yet, the best MM hunter of all time still was able to lose to you who is not close to being the best mage of all time.
Realize that you are actually proving how flawed the spec is and honestly stuff like this is where I see so many silly changes.
A really good world class player should simply be able to crush anyone that is weaker than them incredibly quickly and they should be losing matches to people at least similar skill to them.
I hope you realize how silly your example is like “Yeah MM is pretty good I fought the best hunter to ever touch the game in 2s and it was scary for me but then I ended up winning anyways”. I’m not even trying to be mean but cmon dude, be somewhat reasonable here.
What in the actual hell is with every first time glad BFA fire mage defending this? Yes, sustained damage should be increased so that your only kill opportunity isn’t in combust. Fact of the matter is that every single mage just rerolls brainless specs that take no skill whatsoever to play/master. I don’t care if they give mages back deep freeze, but let’s not act like thats the only way to get a poly off. It’s absurd that healing 101 playing at a pillar actually puts me at a disadvantage because I’m going to get sheeped with good positioning as opposed to out in the open where you can’t blink 80 yards away and get me. Comparing PVE and PVP numbers for mages is completely irrelevant, and you are wrong if you believe otherwise. As a fotm fire mage, you have 3 schools of cc to choose from. Despite some of the tiny interrupts in the game, you still have every way possible to land cc and do damage. I for the life of me cannot understand why mages think you should be able to have a ton of damage on top of spammable cc, on top of mobility, the ability to steal every buff in the game at little to no cost. You don’t get to have everything. The 3 schools of cc on top of the ridiculous % damage is the reason that double fire mage actually works and is the cheesiest comp in the game. You are one of 3 classes that have spammable cc, and neither of the other 2 classes need to be able to move and cast it to get it off. If you want to say sustained damage needs buffed, go ahead and say it. But stop defending this dumb spec because you (as well as every other first time fire mage) got your first glad cheesing your way to it. Good riddance.
Level? Are you really bringing up level in BFA when classes have limited buttons? Yikes Dude
If your forced into a 1v1 with me and lose there is no ignomity in that. Fact is I’ve put quite a few of these forum dwellers on their knees at 1hp or dead after they talked trash. Take that how you want it
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I’m gonna have to stop you right there.
I played legion s7 and got higher then you’ve ever been my first season playing, and 2569 s1 of bfa and im 2300 s2 of BFA. Kicks rocks your bad stop trash talking
I bet you didn’t play fire in legion. I play with a handful of people I’ve met on my server and LFG when I’m just looking to cap, because I don’t care about rating because of how terrible this game is, which is why I’ve unsubbed. But good defense on what I typed, you really told me. Literally the only people that defend fire mages are first time glads playing the spec. Go check every achieve of fire mages that post regarding bfa fire mage and they literally all have the same glad achieve date. Literally. Again though, good defense on the argument. I got nothin
Thanks Mr. Gladiator. It’s nice to see such a garbage spec rise to the top, everyone loves a good underdog story. You happen to have any SkillCapped vids I can watch to improve my play?
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