Again, you are proving my point exactly.
Your anecdotes and experiences are just your anecdotes and experiences. You cannot apply them universally outside of that.
Seriously hilarious that you can’t seem to understand the basic concept of the limitations of anecdotes and using it as data.
No, im not proving your point, like at all, you’re just using mental gymnastics in order to justify your own notions.
But im done entertaining your bs. Bye.
Back in the real world, people getting flamed while doing well is extremely rare. So rare that if you find 10 topics about this with hundreds of likes on them you can probably assume that they actually did something stupid multiple times, and then they got flamed. And it wasn’t the big bad boogeyman toxic player that flamed them for no reason.
But you can believe whatever you want.
The flaming happens a lot right around the 8-10 range
You literally did prove my point by doubling down about how you are basing all of this on your anecdotal experience.
If you are ok with this, then you also have to be ok with people choosing not to play with you ever again, blacklist you, and even kick you from the group if necessary.
If you don’t wanna learn how to perform to a level required to complete the content you sign up to, then the natural consequence of this is that people are gonna be pissed, and rightfully call you out on it, and never play with you again.
You have to take the good with the bad, or you’re just cherry picking whatever situation suits you the best, and that’s just intellectual dishonesty.
Also, you don’t need to be a great player in order to see if something is going wrong, if stuff is not dying, but the group is having 20 wipes, you can assume that something is going wrong, and that’s when the finger pointing happens.
Ironically this means that usually it’s bad players themselves who flame others for no reason as many of these threads want us to believe, a good player is capable of seeing whether someone’s performance was up to standard, a bad player doesn’t have the mechanical knowledge to make an accurate assessment of the situation.
Though, to be honest, if you’re a half decent player you rarely catch blame.
I bet that most people in the game have at least a damage meter, so if you’re doing terrible numbers chances are you’re not a good dps, if you’re dying on pulls immediately and this happens many times over, you’re probably not a great tank, if the group is constantly low hp there’s probably an healing issue. So while being a good player allows you to draw more accurate conclusions on what exactly is wrong, it’s not too hard even for a pretty bad player to have a rough idea on the situation.
And if everyone was terrible, then everyone is gonna flame each other, and at that point the argument about being singled out simply does not stand.
Usually the way i can tell if someone is really a cut above the rest is proper utility usage, and perfect interrupts, there are quite a few players for example, that can do pretty good damage, or healing, but as soon as it’s time to use an interrupt, or utility on another player, like a lay on hands to save someone, or a dispell on yourself when you can do it, they fumble pretty hard.
Lol is this satire or something?
did ya kinda miss the entire season-long phenomena of the major tank shortage and the endless debate on the forum, particularly the folks blaming the playerbase for “driving tanks away” and how it’s all their fault why there’s no tanks, and how it’s not blizzard’s fault at all despite horrific tank changes/tank balancing?
One of the main reasons I wanted to pug a tank up the M+ ladder was to see this for myself, and it seems like it’s precisely the same thing I thought seeing it from the perspective of a DPS - bad players get called out, regardless of role.
But yeah - I do see complaints about TW too, mainly when tanks go act stunned about DPS pulling more in TW when they’re not pulling anything more than 1 pack, or getting kicked from the run because people would rather not have the run take 10x longer than it needs to.
Yes, complaining about tank/healers being bullied is either something someone made up in their head or it’s because they dont actually play outside of the random dungeon finder. Probably more the latter.
Ive been a tank sinse vanilla and can say it does happen sometimes but its only with certain servers… illidan is a big one for it (ya know they have a world first guilds so their server is better) but for the most part until you get into 11s and higher people are pretty chill main thing is anything from like 6 and up just know your routes and you are good
Flaming is inherently unconstructive. It may make you feel better to insult a player and scream at them in all caps because they made a mistake and were unaware of this. But it does not lead to them improving if you have chosen to act like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum because he missed his nap.
OP makes the thread and ignores it, while on an alt, claiming he’s hit a certain rating? Feels like BAIT.
But did you already have a firm grasp on the routes, mechanics, pacing, when and where to pull big or small, etc from playing at a high level as a different role?
when you start saying that other people’s posts are made up, you open yourself up to claims that your post is made up.
I’m ok with that. Players have that right.
Good anecdotal troll. 5/7.
I mostly agree with what you have to say. There are definitely times where there’s people who flame, but in my experience, I find that these people are generally angry because they perceive something bad happened to them through no fault of their own.
A lot of the times, these types of mistakes is dying to a frontal, missed kick or just standing in bad. I pretty much only play tanks and healers for M+ and over the past 5 years, I have rarely been the target of flame/trolling/etc. I also don’t understand this concept the WoW community talks about where Tanks/Healers are abused and constantly flamed.
May we see this alleged prot paladin?
A lot of the discourse surrounding toxicity toward tanks is aimed at leveling (because they’re surrounded by people who want different things out of the run) and entry-level / queued endgame content (for similar reasons, plus, yeah, it’s mostly lower skilled players that catch crap about how they’re playing, and someone who only does queued content is likely to be less skilled).
The toxicity I see toward tanks / healers in a Raid or M+ context is basically the same sort and frequency that I see directed toward DPS, because it’s more about making blatant mistakes than about being too fast / too slow / skipping something / whatever at that point.
Fully agreed on this one.
“Git Gud” isn’t helpful as a means of actually helping someone get better, but it’s completely unironic and valid advice for avoiding toxicity from the community.
True nokne needs to improve but, if you’re getting kicked for “being bad,” whatever that means specifically… and you choose to not try to improve you can expect to keep getting kicked for being bad.
People who make 10 posts about “I got kicked for doing 100k dps,” and refuse to take in game advice or look outside the game for help don’t get any pity.
clown post
people much better than you are getting flamed by people who have no idea what they’re doing, they just have mouths.
We’re also not exactly in the learning curve of the dungeons anymore you stunning and brave individual.