A Blood DK was able to survive almost 5 minutes without external CDs on a Patchwerk test on Ulduar PTR. 5 minutes. It led to a severe nerf into Ulduar, resulting in the removal of most of our avoidance (from Blade Barrier turning into damage reduction instead of giving parry). It was Xav and another DK from Premonition (I can never remember the name of that god damn forsaken name of human death knight that caused so much pain into Ulduar for me xD). It was nerf after nerf until we got some slightly buffs because the nerfs were so severe that Death Knights were didn’t need healers but actually a cardiologist. Even though, we survived.
For the DPS, yeah, it took a LOT nerfs as well. It was ridiculous. We had like 10 Death Knights in ICC and then down to 5 in ulduar back then. I think the best interaction pre-cata was in ICC as the fights allowed some melee comfort zone fights, straight movements that would allow you to keep diseases up and the LK fight where you would be able to spread your diseases with with pestilence and hit all the spirits.
Anyway, the only thing I’ll be certain to never forget was the first Unholy Blight talent version, that would cause players from the opposite team to disconnect in the Arena, or the video (sadly not available anymore) of the DK + Ret facerolling in the arena (they filmed the player rolling the face in the keyboard and still winning the match at 2300).
Good times for a 2009 game. 14 years later, I’m good with the current Death Knight, and not even Classic Wrath is good enough.
PS: in cata, the immortal comp 2x2 was Blood DK + Resto Druid. I’ve had a 5 hours match once. Good times.
Wait let me correct myself, it seems that UNHOLY is even worse than frost in mythic+ right now! I haven’t checked in months but . And you copium DK’s think “Na we’re good just git gud fam”.
Oof yea… blood has kind of always been pretty broken.
My friend was having issues monk tanking the last boss in the mega dungeon. Never having tanked it before, I went blood and effortlessly soaked all the mechanics that were one shotting my friend.
I remember trolling 2’s and 3’s in cata as blood because you literally couldn’t die lol. Heck. I’ll still go blood now and solo rares and bosses.
I’m definitely enjoying my dk more now than in SL. Now that was a state lol.
I do miss the play of them in legion, when mastery meant something… or was super inflated and was just broken
As someone who runs unholy in keys… frost is just easier because you pillar, remorseless, sind. And you are doing 400k+ aoe for big groups.
Unholy has more of a setup but has WAAAAAAY better sustained aoe, which is why I run it over frost.
The only copium is you thinking you have a clue
Please post your main, I’d love to see it. I already posted on my best girl.
If we want to go back to wrath levels of power we need to hook up to a power source like the sun well or nightwell or someone that has loads of power that we can pledge an aliegance and gain power
Unholy has been a GOD spec throughout BFA until the end of Shadowlands. Frost got more attention this expansion and so far.
Wdym. They can clear the content, UH DKs have cleared Mythic aberrus, got to high keys. the only difference is that UH DK is not meta. Plain simple. Literally anything non god-comp during season 2 is off meta.
The dungeons in both S1/S2 favor frost over unholy as well, but it is not like people won’t invite Unholy to keys, it is most people that want to play the game like to play FoTM classes and almost everyone went into God Comp with Aug or Mage or Shadow Priest to get the vibe.
You would be GCD locked without resources. Everything that made the DK as we know today were improvements over the years for resource management and regeneration that didn’t exist in Wrath.
As much as I love unholy, I will concede that it can feel messy a lot of the time. Abilities can really start to pile up and I find myself with full runic power and sudden doom procs, while I’m popping wounds. Maybe more things should pop runes. Or maybe wounds could do something to the enemy even when they’re not being popped so I don’t feel like there’s a rush to pop them. Or maybe sudden doom should automatically fire a DC rather than grant a free one.
Granted I’ve never bothered to look at a guide for the spec, so I don’t technically know what should be my priority. But just going by feel, it feels like things are competing for priority.
At the end of the day I think they’re amazing fun but would be open to them being adjusted. A rework? Nah, that sounds too much.
Naaa I’mma just post some data that shows just how bad Unholy is at the moment, I mean this thread wasn’t even made because of dps it was just to show how much more fun wotlk dk is in comparison, but the logs speak for themselves since you think that UH and frost are “perfectly fine” . I’ll be back later this thread is my new home.
I’m not talking going back to what we had in wrath except being op as hell.
Bring back toughness, bladed armor
Unbreakable armor on a 1 min cd
Presences that let us cheese stuff along with improved presences. Wod da back.
The rune recharge system.
Had talents that let you be tanky dps and beat up red elites and not really care
I miss having the option of being a tank or dps or some unkillable tanky dps hybrid
You can post all the data you want, but you clearly haven’t played it. Nor have you seen the meta. Go check raiderio right now. Go look at what the top 1000 are playing. I’ll wait.
And tier lists are based off meta’s. Not viability.
I for one, MAIN one. I’ve been unholy since legion (7 years). I feel like I know a thing on unholy.
Speaking from actual experience on retail in high keys. Yes. They are fine. Opinions like yours however are why people won’t bring non metas into higher keys.
Dare I say again, post your main. Lets see your experience outside of posting websites and logs. Lets see your actual progress and why you think they are so bad.
Nah not rly. DK is fine. Switched from mage this expac and have been having a great time.
Biggest flaws with pve DK rn is DnD for frost cleave is mega doodoo, should be innate cleave or something besides dropping a stationary puddle. And if they haven’t fixed Defile z-indexing yet… srsly fix it
Right now, for DPS rankings as of Sept 30th, Frost if ranked #22, and unholy is #25. You know theres a problem when i see my main, BM hunter ranking #11.
Kind of stopped playing my unholy DK last 1/4 of SL. Hes setup right now in DF, and at level 61, but i just do not find it fun anymore also.
WHAT fillers? Howling blast? Frost Strike? Glacial Advance?
These all hit like wet noodles. Look at your damage profile at the end of every M+ run, 80+% of your damage is always obliterate.
Trust me I play a lot of alts (especially melee DPS), I’ve yet to come across one that feels as bad and as clunky as frost. Unholy on the other hand has a very smooth gameplay if you put aside the over-abundance of cooldowns, it’s just undertuned.
Nobody wants to be the Ret Paladin after the rework. They did something good then smashed it into the group. “You like this? Too bad we just wanted to mess with you!” /pushes nerf button.
Whats the point in spending all that time. And they say it was to bring it back in line with other classes that started getting buffs?
