Are you crazy frost dk in wotlk 2 shot ppl lol
Wrath isnt now. DW frost could 1 shot people, There are still videos of it. When talking about current balance any previous expansion doesnt matter, especially with a different design.
Here is what i would have done at the top of of frost talent tree you put 2 talents. One is 2h one is dw. Then you give frost a 2h sword that can split into 2 that is dw. Give ut an animation that shows you splitting the sword and an animation where you combine the two together. Now frost has a unique artifact and you have your tuning knobs for dw and 2h in the talents. Have them adjust the talents and abilities for your choice of 2h or dw.
You said āIt never wasā so you cant say it isnt now
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What never was? DW vs 2h balance? No, it never was, but your posts are missing so much context and im not a mind reader so who knows what you are talking about.
Whats the 3rd talent or does that row just have 2 talents?
It would just be the two talents and they would be the first talents in the talent tree and the talents would adjust the spec accordingly to your choice of dw or 2h. Imo it would have given DKās something unique against the other specs and would have allowed us player agency and not forced all frost dks to be dw. I will say i wish our dw had more attack animations than what we have but I think both options should exist.
Then what do you do with the already existing talents? You cant make them all baseline.
And to be honest, how frost is right now is probably the best case scenario for Frost with DW and 2h existing for the spec. The last time they both existed with a significant split in the spec, it was D-F tier hot swamp garbage being 3rd-5th from the bottom competing with garbage Gladiator Stance while everyone else was running off to the races.
They attempted to fix the differences of the spec and the spec as a whole has been performing quite well despite what people have been trying to say on here.
The DK isnt weak, its just not strong enough for FoTM. And the only reason why I would say Frost was FoTM in WoD was because it was a noob stomper in pvp and thats it.
As I said when you make your selection it would adjust the talents and spells to favor what you choose. The talents stay the same just adjust the numbers of them to fit for 2h or dw.
And thats the thing, that shouldnt need to happen. If the spec was designed with 2h and DW in mind, there wouldnt even be a discussion.
Its a DW spec. Blizzard even stated as much and it was designed with DW in mind. There are only less than a handful of differences between the weapons, but they are significant. KM procs, crit mechanics, runeforges, talents.
Having to go through all the talents and abilities changing stuff based on this other thing, you might as well just make a new spec that is similar.
*was a DW spec.
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It was a spec that did both until legion. You just do not want to admit that fact. You keep saying which one is better but allowed for both until they took 2h away in legion. This is your problem you one to stick to one train of thought while people see hey 2h works dw works ok it did both. Your saying its just dw spec then why did they allow it to do 2h until legion. This is why most people put you on ignore after trying to talk to you. Your so single minded about it that you will not even concede The fact that 2h and dw worked until 2h was removed.
Honestly I had you on ignore and thatās where you will be returned tired of seeing you get so upset when someone challenges you and then you spout off nonsense and when asked to provide proof you say āi have already provided it.ā but there are no logs no nothing just what you say. When others provide proof as you have asked then you change the subject and do not aknowlage what they said and move to something else so that you never admit your wrong. This is not meant to be a personal attack just seeing what you do on the forums.
And before you start I was responding to someone else when you asked me questions I answered. And you start with this again. My thoughts would work and show how frost can do both 2h and dw and give people agency as to what they play but you donāt want that your still in the mindset of I donāt want it so you cant have it.
I remember way back in 3.1-3.2 how 2h frost was amazing. Their was even a no disease build that was so broken that blizzard revamp frost and most of the dk talents. Dw was not worth looking at as a build until the introduced threat of thassarian in 3.2. Blizzard would up the damage of 2 of the main diseases by 15% to make disease casting more desirable. Blizzard had to switch around many talents to make dw actually be comparable to 2h.
Yep but some people want frost to only be dw
Truth is their never was a hard pressed dw spec at start. The talent trees were all over the place back then. If blizzard designed frost to be the main dw tree then they really missed the mark. Just about every option you had to dw, 2h will do it better. That was just the truth back then.
I remember how messed up the talent trees were. I was a playing Paladin mostly that patch was 30 seconds short of being server first max lvl. Damn system gave my paladin and alliance paladin the achievement and then took it away as he got server first.
I do not have a problem with dw frost dkās in fact I want paladins to get a dw dps spec a 4th spec not dw added to ret. Imo dkās do not have enough unique attack animations for dw. Thatās just me but anyone wants to dw I donāt care. What I hate is someone with the attitude of I donāt want it so you cant have it.
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It might have had the option, but the spec wasnt designed from the ground up for both. It was and is a DW spec even now.
As Chris Rock said, you can drive with your feet but it doesnt make it a good idea. I mean if it works it works right?
Thats just bad logic because many things āworkā even if something else is so much better.
Icecap, designed for DW, Murderous Effeciency works much better for DW because it has more KM procs, Runic Attenuation works better with DW (last I checked it was around 10 seconds quicker to get a full runic bar than 2h, BoS DW, Frozen Pulse DW. Frostscythe DW because MotFW puts the power elsewhere.
Blizzard would leave things in the game and it was up to the player if they wanted to play the spec the way it was designed, or go off script. Go off script and its your choice, but it wasnt a good performing choice. It didnt scale and many times frost as a whole suffered from the split.
Like I said this is probably the best case scenario so far because they actually attempted to fix the issues between the weapons, at least one of them which is KM proc disparity.
Blizzard in cata also said it was a DW spec in an interview so im not the only one saying it, Blizzard is.
You havent challenged me, I challenged your idea. What do you do with those talents in the first row, why should blizzard go through and make 2 different values per weapon based on another talent chosen, how would those talents address the actual differences in the weapons?
You know how you have both weapons, you make them stat sticks, but if they are just stat sticks why not just leave it how it is and make 2h a transmog option. If people want to keep them separate there is always going to be a difference and the weapon that the spec was designed around is going to win out.
And no, I dont want Blizzard to split the spec because again, the last time Blizzard split the spec like that, it was hot swamp garbage at the very bottom of the rankings, and its not like now there its ~7% behind the top, it was doing at times 50% less dps on fightsā¦ 50%! Thats HUGE. And people want to say splitting the spec was a good thing and attempt it again. It was hanging out with Gladiator Warrior at the bottom. A pretty big % behind. It wasnt even really worth playing as a spec and that is what I care about. The spec.
You guys just care about a weapon because you dont like the way the spec was designed for some odd reason. If you dont like the spec, dont play the spec. Dont try to change it for your liking to a similar design structure that was garbage and a complete and utter failure. They even tried balancing it back then to an extent and it was still 3rd-5th from the bottom. Or really tied with gladiator for 4th.
Also, I have asked for stuff as well. The playstyle for Icecapā¦ never given. The build for the 9.2 tier set that Biceps was talking about and that never came as well. What legendaries is he simming, what stats, what slot is the legendary going in? Nothing, zilch, nada.
Yes, I dont log, I dont care to log, and guess what, people on these forums misuse logs like crazy. Why give people something they abuse in the first place?
Its a DW spec. Its been designed from the ground up with DW in mind being the primary weapon set for the spec.
Change my mind.
No, its not. In fact back then the best spec was a hybrid spec that DW and used mostly spells. Obliterate didnt even work with some talents, important talents, like KM.
It was funny back then because blizzard screwed up the dw spec talent options so much that people figured out they could do more damage with a frost dk by ignoring the entire disease mechanic and just go to pure burst talents. Whole overhaul of frost dk in 3.2 was completely due to dw just didnāt have anything worth standing out. Blizzard wanted fdk to dw but ended up making a superior 2h spec. 2h and dw can coexist. I just wish some people would stop saying dw should be the only way to go.
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