You are the one saying those things. We just know that they made dw into what 2hf was and moved from there. We also know that you have no real historical understanding of how this class played back then and it’s ok. But plz stop the name calling. You are getting too worked up over this. Just a thought. What if frost strike could apply RI. How can that be balanced to make help dk?
I think having alternate ways of applying RI through talents is a great idea. It helps shake up rune forges. I think we will get a good taste of it from the 4p.
They also need to update some of the rune forges. Only like 3 of them are ever used. Would love to see one like sanguination but making frost strike do more damage based on missing health.
The spec wasnt done until 3.2. All the specs werent done until 3.2. And they have stayed the same since then, aside from unholy.
You cannot say I have no real historical understanding of how this class played when you mention diseaseless 2h Frost.
Shall we take a look at that? Yes, I think we shall take a look at diseaseless DK gameplay.
-You didnt have Icy Talons, or Improved Icy Talons to buff up the raid… why you would bring down raid dps… who knows but alright.
-You didnt have Glacier Rot which was 10% pre 3.2 and 20% post 3.2. If you were using Howling Blast and Frost Strike, not taking this ability (which you had to take unless you just put 5 filler points in Toughness which dont know why you would do that) would bring those abilities down as well.
-Obliterate… the spell people keep talking about. Now here is a little maths. Lets just pick a number, something realistic from the time, 5k. So Obliterate hits for 5k. With diseases however it would hit for 6250 damage. 12.5% increase per disease or a 25% increase with both diseases. That extra 1250 over the course of a fight is huge and you are just hurting yourself not just through Obliterate hitting for less than it was balanced around doing, but you lost out on passive damage.
-Howling Blast damage being increased by 100% if you had Frost Fever on the target. Dont know why you would want to do that, especially when Howling Blast had a glyph for it that made it apply Frost Fever.
-Tundra Stalker 15% more damage to targets infected with your Frost Fever. That increases Obliterate damage even higher than that 6250 for just having a disease up that was applied by Howling Blast and ability that you said 2h used.
You dont even know how much damage you were actually missing if you played diseaseless. You should be benched if you even attempted it.
The glyphs you would take would be Glyph of Obliterate (25% damage increase) Glyph of Howling Blast (applies Frost Fever) and then after that either Glyph of Frost Strike to reduce its cost, or Glyph of Disease so Pestilence would refresh diseases.
-Missing out on Blood Strike damage increase as well. Dont know what you would use your Blood Runes for otherwise, especially if you didnt pick up Blood of the North.
But by all means, go ahead and explain how I am wrong about that and none of this historical stuff. Wouldnt it be in your best interest to put me in my place and explain this stuff? Or do you actually not have any real historical understanding of how the class worked from Wrath to WoD?
Also, why are you asking someone who you say is wrong, about Frost Strike applying RI? For one it already does if you have RI on your weapon, but it wouldnt do anything of benefit for the class (which you actually mean 2h) but slow down its application and increase ramp up time.
Not to mention that all it would do is drive DW to an enchant, and then people would still be complaining. The only reason 2h is working in its limited capacity right now is because of the KM portion of MotFW.
I really think better and updated tune options are needed. Plus making fs a staple for inflicting RI maybe a way to go. Maybe it could be a talent.
Ooh, shiny transmog. Quite like myself!
Though I really want that chestpiece. Too bad nobody really does CN anymore. 
no. others have pointed it out.
lies.
see, you even know it’s true by making this statement.
i’m done though; you’re not even the least bit entertaining anymore.
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What if, it applied through Remorseless winter! would stack super fast-ish 
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So you are just copying what others have said?
Nope, not wrong.
And no, im not saying im moving the goal post with that statement, im saying even if I were, im still not wrong. You cant even tell me what im moving the goal posts to, im just entertaining the baseless statement based off of someone from BFA that didnt like what I said.
That’d make Remorseless Winter a lot stronger and more important than already is.
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If that was on the same row as gathering Storm then might be ok. But that’s a super powerful suggestion, having an instant AoE RI stack every 20 seconds.
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Now this would make that row interesting aside of that 3rd dead talent that is HyperLUL Presence.
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You guys are probably right, just spitballin’ here
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Very True 
im having a blast in pvp with frost dk it mite be the first time i mained it in pvp but so far its been a blast.
i dont feel weak i can take any class on this guy.
That didn’t age well considering the spec is deadlocked where it was last tier pre 4pc equip. Which is about what I’d expect from the discord community because they’re blind to the actual problem with Unholy .
Neither, I’ve got a penchant for standing with the truth and like it or not Kel is right here. Biceps is playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes in this thread. Don’t like it? Too bad.
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S C A L I N G.
Sorry for the double, posting from my phone.
Its the loss of domination shards. Thats really the only thing that changed.
Unholy though isnt looking good. Frost is much better than unholy at the moment just through BoS alone. A lot of the fights are aoe fights. GA on KM proc helps aoe for sure when you use Obliteration, but its just going to help even more when you use BoS. I think BoS is carrying Frost at the moment. Once people get the 4pc, try Obliteration and drop RI, its going to fall, and people are going to complain about it.
You may want to remove your head from whatever orifice it’s in, Kel isn’t right and has basically never been right. It’s cute you’re pretending you aren’t an alt posting at yourself though. Your posts are mostly just you white knighting Kel’s posts.
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And you need to remove your head from the sand. Its funny how people are so adamant that im always wrong, yet a lot of people like you always come back to say I was right, or they just never show their faces around here anymore.
Most of the people I was talking to pre SL quit because their expectations of what 2h was far exceeded what it actually was. The only reason its even somewhat balanced is because they didnt completely split the spec even though 2h only really has 1 focus (single target) and they made it more like DW by increasing its chance to get KM procs.
Now I wonder why they would do that if I wasnt… whats the word… right? I gave a list of things that would have to be addressed for 2h to even come close to DW, KM proc rate, 2 runeforges and DW crit mechanics. I said that as far back as BFA when the new expansion was being talked about and 2h was kicked up. They didnt want to hear it.
Oh and look, Icecap sucks for 2h because of the DW crit mechanics. They had to up the rate of KM, and they gave 2h its own runeforge basically that pigeonholes people into focusing on 1 enemy.
All of that should have been basic common knowledge to anyone that had any investment in the spec other than noob stomping in bg’s because it happened to you and you thought it was OP. Flavor of the month players like yourself ruins specs and classes.
There hasn’t been a single thread where any has agreed with you or said you’re right except when you switch to your alt and agree with yourself.
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