Death Knight is Weak

Anything at all? You have plenty of chances to show how im wrong, yet you arent doing it.

Just something. Wrong about hit and expertise rating and not needing as much with DW due to talents within the spec increasing expertise with 1h weapons and spell hit from Unholy which frees up more secondaries that can be haste crit or armor pen from Wrath… am I wrong about that?

Wrong about DW having more KM procs?

6 minute BoS window with the 4pc that the sims are showing?

Do you have anything at all or are you just going to do the same bs that other people do like you are going to accomplish what they couldnt?

Weapon restrictions are silly if they are just stat sticks, but thats not whats going on here.

I played 2h Enhancement before it was removed. Basically you ran up and hit storm strike and prayed that you got a wf proc. Back then wf could pric off of itself. So for example on my shaman in wsg I 1 shot a dwarf paladin. He ran up to me stunned and got 2 swings. Stun wore off and i hit the wf buff and then I hit him with one swing he was at full hp and he died. Wf proced and then proced off itself 2 more times and all of the procs were crits.

I have been in the Shaman forums in the return 2h Enhancement threads explaining to them getting 2h back is not as simple as they thought bringing my experience from the return 2h to frost dks. I have had a lot of success explaining how complicated it could be returning and balancing 2h Enhancement. I want to see it returned like you i think weapons restrictions are stupid. But Enhancement has its own set of issues returning 2h. If it is done it cant be done like frost 2h.

Personally for all the melee specs that have 2h or dw we should have a talent tree at the top with 2 talents one 2h and one dw and your selection should change the talents/abilities to fit your choice l.

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We had a bug in Sims where Koltiras favour was proccing more often than in-game. Similar thing to KM procs where the game changes at some point and we never noticed. The breaths aren’t as long anymore.

So why should anyone trust the sims?

Not to mention the reason given was because of hysteria and the NF legendary increasing RP generation by 20%.

Also what do you mean by not as long? 5m59sec minutes long isnt as long as 6 minutes, so is 30 seconds. So what duration are we talking here within reason. 2 minutes? 3 minutes?

But I was right in that sims were showing 6 minute breaths… so it couldnt have been that.

I think the statement holds itself up just fine without your scrutiny, Kelliste.

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It’s the best tool we have to test output. Sometimes there is a miscommunication between what is in game and what is thought to be in game, either bug or oversight.

Science isn’t perfect either. Constantly correcting itself, but it’s the best we got to be as factual and accurate as possible.

At this point it’s not even about you being wrong or right. You have stated factually correct claims about mechanics, talents, or DW benefits throughout the forum. The problem isn’t with factual claims but your opinions and your attitude. There is a reason why no one on this forum seems to like you. You are just downright toxic in how you talk down to people. You enjoy playing the spec in a certain way and anyone who thinks different gets nothing but hostile replies. You have zero room for the idea that this game isn’t just for you and that there are thousands of other people who play this class and have different views.
Other than the 3 DK characters in lore who DW, DKs are widely seen as a 2h class and that’s how’s lot of people want to play. It shouldn’t be unreasonable for people to want the developers to spend time making the spec amazing, competitive and fun for everyone and reflect a class fantasy that they have painted for us.

This forum would be so much better without your negativity.

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The sims have been off all expansion which i am also taking into account admitted by many people that worked on the sims. They just assumed stuff stayed the same and that gave a false representation of the spec the entire expansion and now this “bug”.

Who knows what else is wrong. So the “why should anyone trust the sims?” question is a valid question, they have been wrong the entire expansion. Who knows when that Koltiras bug came into play, it could have been given a false representation of other stuff as well. Even if it was going on with just the PTR stuff, the bug would impact other stuff giving a false reading into things like the 2h build that was presented as “poggers” but in reality on the PTR it was hit or miss. Sometimes it performed well, other times it fell flat on its face

No, its about if Im wrong. And how would you act when you are told to off yourself? That unstable people want to fight you? Who send you in game emails, who made a youtube account with your character name going around saying stuff you never said.

If im factually correct im factually correct. Dont defend people saying im wrong and then trying to pass that as some other argument. They said I was wrong about everything without an ounce of proof and you get onto my case. Thats so damn backwards there is nothing to compare it to.

So no, its not my negativity. Im not looking for friends, im not looking to create an echo chamber either. Your 2h group have done nothing but misrepresent my position ever since BFA which you were probably not around for. The “negativity” is 100% warranted. Have I ever said “DW only”? No I havent, I am now because thats the position you guys want to fight against so why not oblige you. What do I care if you want to play a weapon thats behind… but in reality you guys dont just want to play a weapon, you want to fundamentally change things so 2h is the best option for everything. Its so blatantly obvious.

Wrath of the Lich King Dw was better
Cata DW was better and the issue with cata was the low drop rates of the lack of 1h weapons and people wanted to play the spec to its fullest and didnt want to nerf themselves. If you want to nerf yourself go right ahead.
MoP DW was better
WoD DW was better and 2h was on par the first raid tier. The first raid tier was Highmaul and BRF even though BRF was released at a later date the ilvl was the same.
Legion, they removed 2h so that they could balance the spec since it was gutter trash compared to other specs and it was a nightmare to balance both. If Artifacts were the cause why wasnt it brought back in BFA when artifacts no longer existed? It was balanced based entirely.
BFA only had DW as well.
Shadowlands has the option to use a 2h and people still arent happy… why not? Because its worse than DW overall, even if its just in their own eyes and a people want it to be better than DW. I would even say they think the removal of 2h was a punishment for some dumb reason, and that DW should be removed for those that like DW to be punished. (Yes, thats an argument that I have seen)

The issue is, you dont even know what my views are, you assume was my views are. What do you think my views are? Because im pretty consistent with them so it should be quite easy to say what it is. Its even the same when talking about blood and unholy.

If all of this has actually happened, maybe it’s time for you to do some self-reflecting and stop acting the way you do on a video game forum. I’m in no way condoning those things, but you can only affect change in yourself. And you bring a lot of it on yourself based on the way you treat people. You’re literally arguing with someone new each and every day.

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Yeah, thats good, blame me for their actions.

I think it’s unfortunately inevitable that there are bugs in simulations. Either from bugs in-game (km), or from invisible changes (koltiras) or oversights.

Having said that, simulations are still a great tool in many aspects and we use it a ton to figure out stuff like rotation priorities, talent choices and legendary choices etc. Sometimes the bugs will skew our results and that’s just unfortunate.

We are all just trying our best to make everyone better at playing the game. Simulations have been, and will continue to be, a great tool to help that effort.

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Sims are a constant work in progress. They’re never 100% complete because the game itself is never 100% complete and stable. Bugs happen.

If you think the sim work is done poorly, do it yourself and show us how it’s done, Kelliste.

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DK Great.
DK Strong.

/thread

Yeah, a constant work in progress because they have to figure things out themselves. And when it came to SL they assumed stuff, especially the KM proc chance for DW.

Why would I make a sim? Ive been saying they werent accurate the entire expansion. They didnt match what was seen in game, people like you wrote it off, and come to find out… holy cow they werent accurate.

So quit with the bs.

It’s so incredibly easy to go “oh sims are not accurate” without providing any specificity. Of course you will be right if you use such blanket statements.

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Just for context here Kelliste has been writing a reply for roughly 16 minutes, now.

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You guys have hundreds of people in the discord work on this stuff do you not? I mean thats what I was told, so that didnt peak anyones curiosity? No one double checked things were still accurate in a new expansion?

Also, as you have said, blizzard doesnt give out information like they used to. The sims were off what was being shown in game.

If your job is to make sure the sims are accurate then you should make sure they are accurate right? There are certain things I have to do in my job as well, and if I do them wrong it could costs people thousands of dollars. Its not up to the customer to tell me what is wrong or going on on say a shower leaking, its up to me to go through and make sure its nothing that I did. Had to do that earlier this year, the customer called the plumbers, the plumbers said i was the shower pan leaking so we went there and checked it out, turns out it was the plumbing leaking in the wall. It wasnt up to the customer to figure out the problem just to tell me there was a problem.

So you guys are building the sims right? So say a new player came in, simmed their character because they were told on the forums that simming your character is good to do, so they sim it and then its not matching what they are seeing in game while following the guide or priority. Is it their responsibility to tell you what is wrong with what you and your team built? Or is it their responsibility to just say something isnt matching up? You guys can go on, get your logs or whatever you need right, to figure out what the issue is if there is an issue.

Remember earlier when I was saying I was getting 10k Obliterates early in the expansion as DW, and someone else said “no you arent” and linked a sim to try to say it should be way lower… that didnt throw a red flag? I mean there were a lot of red flags and they werent from me. It was always written off as “the sims are right, you must be reading it wrong, you must be playing wrong, go play the game you dont do anything so your opinion doesnt matter”.

And people want to say im the problem?

So again, why should anyone trust the sims?

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More like 5.

This is in fact not my job. I do my bit because I want to contribute and help people.

Could you please remind me, what exactly did you say?

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You refusing to take accountability for your own actions which drives a lot of the responses you get just proves my point. Blizz should ban you from the forums for your own health.

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