You guys have tried getting me banned. When under review, Blizzard disagrees with you. So what does that say about you guys and your perception of what is going on?
What actions am I not taking accountability for? Or are you not going to answer that just like you didnt answer how I was wrong. You dropped that narrative as soon as someone said I was factually correct and are trying to change your argument once again that your previous one failed.
So 5 people working on sims⊠how many people providing logs?
And when I say your job, I dont mean that its your primary source of income, I mean job in that if you are doing something, its your job, your responsibility, to make sure its accurate. You and others are building it right? So its your responsibility to make sure its accurate. Its a new expansion, its when things are more likely to change overall.
This is where I have this hypothesis that people were more involved with 2h being introduced than the actual spec as a whole. The majority of the time that you bring something up, its about 2h. The tier set you said 2h was poggers not saying anything about DW. Why not? I think a long breath duration would be pretty important to tell people if you are in fact
The only thing you brought up was the KM issue with DW, why nothing else?
Its called deflection, if they point out that 2h is âas goodâ as Breath (its not even close in game or people would provide logs and screenshots) it could be that theyâre angling for more 2h nerfs.
You pointed out correctly in the the thread about KM that no one ever links logs to back up their claims. Iâve pushed biceps into it a few times, but it comes with the passive aggressive run around youâre getting now. It also spawns a never ending tail chase argument where where everyone yells for proof, calls bs on everyone else while providing no info themselves.
On the discord end, rely less on sims and wait for a solid month of in game data before making any wild claims about anything. Sims do not in the slightest way reflect raid performance.Take responsibility for not once in the last six years having a clean sim for either spec. Itâs a never ending joke that the Sims are as off as they are and that community swears by them.
On the non discord community side of things, link logs or provide screens if you want to prove or disprove something.
I need a shower after reading this thread. Worse than the arena forums during Cata. Jesus.
Final edit, the never ending irony of the community attacking you when you called out correctly that the new set isnât great for 2h and making suggestions to fix that despite the fact you admittedly dislike 2h. Donât even know what to say about that one.
I already pointed out what you do wrong. Not surprisingly, you completely ignored it because you canât stop yourself from responding within minutes of a post. You argue with multiple people each and every day, including someone who takes his own time to write guides and tries to help the DK community. At this point youâre a blight to the class and this community with everything you do.
I dont even care about logs. Frost isnt so complex that it isnt hard to understand.
Ill give explanations, that doesnt happen the other way around however. Ive been waiting for months on the Icecap build that was supposedly good or much better than it was so it wasnt the thousands of dps behind the other options the sims were showing. Whats that build and playstyle? It was never answered. Still hasnt been answered.
I went on the PTR and used the tier set with both weapon sets and DW was consistent, 2h was hit or miss. No one has even attempted to dispute that. Even on a target dummy it was hit or miss. It was either on par, or 20% behind. Did nothing different from pull to pull, it was just if 2h got procs. Kept up RW as much as possible for the 8% crit as well and the procs are just so bad for 2h I dont know how anyone can stand it. It feels absolutely horrible.
Also, I cant post links or anything on the forums because people will mass report so you never have a chance to even provide anything if you wanted to. Control information and you control the narrative.
I do not like 2h frost. Its just so slow and clunky. The funny thing is, people are coming around to the fact that this juggernaut junk isnt working out. They want more movement speed, they want the gcd at 1 sec again which with this rune system doesnt feel good and it would need to be sped up, and they think that frost feels so much better with haste. Frost as a spec feels so much better to play when its faster paced.
There was an hour between your last post and my response to you so I have no clue what you are talking about.
Yes, I argue with people each and every day⊠so what? Wouldnt have to argue if people were truthful.
I dont care if someone writes guides or is the president of the united states or even Putin, they are just another person like the rest of us.
I think Biceps is pushing a narrative, than trying to help the DK community. Ive asked for things multiple times from him, and its not logs, its not a sim break down, its just a build or priority list for certain build they said was better than expected. What are those⊠do you know? Has he told them to you and no one else?
When he makes a post its almost always from a 2h point of view instead of a spec point of view. If he is going to say â2h is poggersâ when talking about 9.2 and the tier set, at the time the Koltiras bug wasnt known, but he never talked about the sims showing DW having 6 minute breath timers. Limit Max got excited about the long duration breath windows. Where was that information at on the forums? It wasnt talked about until I brought it up from another theorycrafter announcing it. If someone cares about the class and community, what are they doing keeping information from the community?
Where is the PTR stuff at from the âcommunityâ? I mean there are the ptr forums and there was only a few people talking about the tier sets to the point people quit talking about it. The Unholy set is garbage. Why bring an unholy once you start getting 4pc? Warriors execute baseline is better than Unholy Execute with the 4pc. Biceps made the 4pc worse because he didnt want âdegenerative playâ. Who cares if its degenerative? Its the end of an expansion that the majority of people find to be crap. Let them go wild and have some fun for once.
câmon community, try harder.
All expansion people have been trying to see eye to eye with you, but each and every time you choose to be a contrarian even when proven wrong. Itâs laughable for me at this point, but for most others itâs exhausting. I know some have come down on me in some instances on dk forum, but at least I was willing to admit when I was wrong.
And from what I can tell, youâve been like this throughout bfa as well. Itâs like extra work dealing with you.
worst thing is thatâs very solvable problem which could be hotfixed.
Are you talking about an aoe icecap build or a single target build? Iâve seen a few posts about icecap being on par with breath in single target but not in awhile, I assumed they were satire when I read them. Loctus and I talked about an aoe icecap build that uses frostscythe to cleave Razor iceI was using on fort week after the target cap removed. The aoe icecap build was close to breath if not outright better in some dungeons just based on having cds up for chains of large pulls.
No clue⊠I asked them for the build and its been crickets. Asked them at least 2-3 times.
They also already increased the proc chance for 2h by over double that of DW and it still feels absolutely horrid. I really dont see how people can stand it. Even at 40% crit with the 2 piece it felt awful, even if you arent comparing it to DW the fact that RI falls off, and can fall off at the worst times, makes it even worse. I know Biceps doesnt think its an issue, but ive seen a 20% difference from one 2h test and the next. Sounds like WoD if you ask me where you could do the same things on each pull of the same boss and see huge dps differences. This was with the top players so there really isnt an argument of âlearn to playâ. There is nothing you can do of when or if you wont get KM procs for 2h outside of Obliteration windows. I had RI fall off after a PoF window, so I had 15+ seconds of regular Obliterates and then all my damage dropped by 15% and its frequent. It sucks even more when it happens before a new PoF window because then you are just using that window to build stacks back up. Unlike DW that doesnt lose RI stacks with Obliteration at least. You never lose that damage increase so the next PoF window is at full strength all the time.
Lets just say 2h damage is better⊠the quality of live is crap. It just feels terrible. This was with Icy Talons as well which you can keep up basically 100% because the 4pc triggers Icy Talons as well.
I really dont see the appeal. My average Obliterate damage for 2h was barely better than DW. Even 2h max hit was only 3k higher than DW which is roughly a 15% increase. I think the top 2h crit with Obliterate with PoF, Abom limb (20% increased damage on my primary target) pvp on use str trinket and all that jaxx was like 20.2k. My max DW crit was I think 17.7k. It was a while ago but the numbers are close. Those numbers is only a 13% difference.
For me it came out to DW being much more consistent overall. Every pull I did with DW always came out at around 8.4-8.6k dps with like 242 ilvl or something. 2h came out to like 6.9-8.6k dps. I didnt just do the opening and leave it there either, I did 2-3 rotations of cdâs which added up to probably around 4 minutes each. At the very least around 3 minutes.
It just felt awful. I just dont get it.
I agree it feels bad to have RI stacks drop. I think that could be fixed by increasing RI duration, or if RI was just a 1 stack debuff.
I think when Biceps said this in context he was referring to the fact that the gain of FC outweighs the RI stack drop outside of your obliteration window. The damage profile of obliteration is so heavily tilted to the PoF window. So when you say you are losing 15% of your damage because you lost RI in between CD windows this isnt entirely accurate. When you are not using KM procs obliterate is physical not frost so RI doesnt impact it, which only leaves HB/frost strike/RW/GA to do your major frost damage. Also the outside of CD windows represents a smaller slice of your overall dps pie. I dont know the exact % breakdown, but say like 80% of my total damage comes from that 12sec PoF windows that leaves 20% of my overall damage is represented from the 48sec outside PoF window. During that window, you might drop RI 15+ seconds into it, and lose less than 15% damage of less than the 20% slice.
On the flip side, having FC proc during the PoF window will give you extra str boosting that 80% slice significantly. And you are guaranteed to have RI during PoF as obliteration. Even though you have to ramp up the RI stacks, I think Biceps was just saying overall, the pros outweigh the cons, even though there are cons which you have pointed out.
Could you do a test and log it so I can take a look? I honestly donât trust that you play the spec properly.
I was referring to my written guides, guide videos and the help I provide here and in the DK discord.
The RI stacks dropping off is just on top of the lack of KM procs. Its something that feels bad on top of something that already feels bad and has felt bad any time I have played with 2h, either forced due to low 1h drop rates, or just testing stuff.
Obliteration is a 12 second window, but when you want good dps, every part of that minute matters. Especially when you have an ability like Obliterate which has a low bottom end, but a âhighâ top end. So you spend 12 seconds getting out KM procs, which you have to weave abilities or get lucky with procs to have a few double procs. So if you have to weave your abilities you are looking at 5-6 KM Obliterates. Then you have 48 seconds of basically poor gameplay comparative to DW.
Yes RI doesnt impact Obliterate without a KM proc, but it does impact HB, Frost Strike, Remorseless Winter, Avalanche and anything else that is frost based. So if you lose RI, the rest of your abilities are going to fall by 15%. Thats what im talking about. If 12 seconds is making up 80% of your damage output, you dont see a problem with that? A lot of people dont actually like that.
So the help you provide here is almost 2h exclusively⊠why is that?
And no, im not going to log anything. Ive already told you that. And you dont trust that I play the spec properly⊠well I have asked you in another thread and you ignored it. For someone who wants people to get better, you dont actually tell people. I dont trust you at all as any authority to the spec. I dont trust you to have any input in the sims.
I think you are just pushing a narrative while other people are doing the work, you are in the discord and act like you are contributing then make a guide based on what they say. Why do I think this? You said that there was a different playstyle for Icecap, I asked what that was, you said you had to ask someone else and you never did. Ive asked for stat priorities, asked how this thing was played⊠again no answer.
I think you are just playing a role and taking credit for other people.
Any number you quote is meaningless unless you show proof. How would I know youâre not simply making your numbers up to push your narrative?
I believe I answered that it wasnât anything major, just making the SIM behave more like a real player.
Have you actually joined and taken part in the discord?
2h enhance was hilariously fun in PvP during TBC. It was very similar to SoC procing on a ret pally but instead your WF proc would 1 shot clothies . Those were good times 
Somebody here could use a completely wrong talent config, UHDK conduits and leggo and would still be able to complete the content somebody is doing using 2h or DW no problem. Not sure why 2h vs DW matter to somebody so much.
I have run 2h Venthyr FDK 90% of the time for pve in 9.1 and had no issues. Torghast 12s no problem, parse purple or better for ilvl, AOTC, and the few mythic + dungeons I did there was no issue. (EDIT: looks like I didnât do M+ in S2, only S1)
Point is, play covenant and playstyle you want. It does not matter in 99.999% of the pve content if you generally know how to play.
This argument is so stupid an pointless. HELLO MODERATORS??? This thread should be locked. It is not even on topic anymore.
No just ban the person that keeps derailing all the frost threads with the dw should be the only way to play frost garbage.