Dear Blizz/Activision

This is not a whining thread, but the less inclined might see it is such. I hope instead of being a troll you might leave this post alone for Blizz.

Dear Blizz, I am a vanilla player. Many of those on my server and in my guild are too. These are not retail players, but ppl like me who quit retail a long time back. You can check my account and see that I have not been a paying customer for some four years. Others are the same.

Classic brought me back. Or I should say old friends called me to drag me back, but I did come willingly. The grind to 60, doing the dungeon runs, building a guild, trying to get raid ready, PvP when it happens, all that was good with more old players coming back.

Then you dropped the bomb.

It doesn’t matter if you are on a Horde heavy server or an Alliance heavy server, the world PvP has made the game unplayable (read that word twice please) for the faction on the receiving end of the honor farming.

PvP is fine. But you have to be able to PvP. When every flight path is camped by 10-30 of the opposing faction and the Flight master is even dead, you just feed the meat grinder. That’s not game play. That’s just one side exploiting the game for honor points and the other side getting even smaller as players quit, or try to Xfer off.

Just last night the guild had a discussion about xfering. Turns out on my server, the faction in the minority can NOT xfer, or even do a paid xfer. Players are complaining that even 5 man groups can’t level up and quest without being camped by raid groups. Trying to get to a dungeon requires 5+ deaths along the way which translates into an extra 30+ mins of gameplay gone. Ppl are tired of it, it is not playable because there is no PvP solution.

Even when the minority faction bands into raid groups and goes out fight, it doesn’t change anything. The game is still unplayable as intended. Yes, some would say the PVP is working as intended. I disagree. 30 enemy players camping a flight path just to blow away each enemy player as they land individually is not PvP nor even sporting, it’s just farming honor points.

So, solutions? You better get some rolling before your cash cow dries up.

  1. Make the guards at all Flight points have some teeth. Maybe add guards. I was at gadget the other night and all the bruisers were dead. Never saw that happen before. As a rogue I was able to get away, but others were not. With the GY right next to Gadget every player killed got killed a few more times before they could body hop out of the area.

  2. Maybe open BG’s right now? It’s just a switch on your end. Flip it on.

  3. Add a 30-60 min queue for the faction you want to xfer. Just offering a free xfer for players from a server they DOMINATE isn’t going to give them any incentive. Why leave a server where you can farm honor points to your heart’s content and not spend much time running back to your body? They won’t take the xfer until you make them take it.

I’m not a retail player. Not interested in it. I’m all for PvP. But what is happening right now isn’t it. One side is just making the other side unable to play. It is costing you customers as people just do something else with their free time. I would like to see classic continue to thrive, but this world PvP roll out is something as close to a failure as it gets. It only works if both sides can play, and my 10 guys in a raid group can’t do anything against 40 on the other side except feed them honor points. People then stop playing.

Good luck, hopefully you folks get something done this coming Tuesday to fix this. Because when you won’t even allow people to pay you to xfer their toon, the next option for them is to just quit entirely. I walked away for four years. It’s same with many others, and this time none of us will come back if we gotta give up because we can’t even land at a Flight path without getting ganked repeatably.

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In before the undead trollish masses come to harass you.

Well thought out and clear post. Well done.

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Dear Troll ,

Yes you are trolling and spamming at this point with your complaint about PvP on a PvP server.

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only troll I see here is a night elf demon hunter

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Yep. Agree with that 100%. Most likely plays Horde in Classic, too.

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Night Elf, Would never be a troll. FOR THE ALLIANCE !!!

WAAAAAAAH. weakling.

technically night elves are mutated trolls

One thing for “Horde” to consider, or Ally on a server they dominate.

None of you get to play in the end, if there is nobody to play against. Think down a the road a little and support the thread.

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PvP happened on a PvP server. There is nothing to support, you chose that server and chose to have this happen knowing that it was possible for it to happen and breaks no rules etc.
I’m sorry but if PvP servers don’t support your playstyle there are many normal servers you can reroll on that do.

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Did you play on a PVP server back in the 2000’s? I can testify that the following happened back then.

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Playing on pservers for the last 6 years and all the iterations of the vanilla “progressiveness” that they tried I have to say. Blizzard you really should have done just a little homework on rolling out wpvp without battlegrounds. I knew this was coming and predicted it many times to those I’ve played with.

The case study for this exact rollout is “Nighthaven”. I think you can even still find the population graph from that server. They started with 7-8k on regularly for the first month and a half, then they added wpvp without battlegrounds. This decision made many of the hardcore pvp’ers quit as they wanted BGs, and those who remained did what is happening now. Camp flight paths, and all other points of travel. Roaming 5-40 mans in every zone 48+ ect ect. This player behavior hurt the server in a major way as only 3 weeks after honor launch without BGs the server had lost 40% of it’s playerbase.

If you blizzard do not want your classic project to experience the same implosion of the retention rate than you will need to do something drastic. For a multi-billion dollar company you have proven yourself s to be very short sighted and incompetent with a lot of game play decisions in my opinion. The author of this post has made some good suggestions.

I hope others, especially horde (which my main is on Faerlina) realize that this style of game play is a detriment to their continued enjoyment of classic and not just flame with (pvp happened on a pvp server).

God speed my poor Alliance brethren.

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Ummm, you mean just like it was in vanilla? Maybe all these people on PvP realms NOT wanting to wPvP should have done their homework.

People have been warning this was coming for a while. People have chomping at the bit to have this phase for a while.

Enjoy, if you are on a PvP realm.

Also, Phase 3 hit, the wPvP won’t go away. Hate to break it to those hoping phase 3 fixes thing. Warning has been issued.

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I like open world mass chaos pvp. Please do not open bgs right now.

Please fix the faction imbalance by allowing some horde to switch to alliance. Please let the pver’s transfer to pve servers.
Please let alliance from alliance dominated servers transfer to horde dominated servers and vice versa.
Please when you finally do open bgs, DONT allow cross server queues until the faction imbalance is fixed more by server transfers / faction changes.

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No… not even close. I played on Kil’Jaeden in Vanilla and while wpvp was very prevalent and I remember having a res timer of 5+min in STV as horde (2:1 A:H) ratio. They did not camp boats, flight paths and all points of travel. While there was a guild that would camp boats toward the end of vanilla, they didn’t have the numbers to camp all points of travel and did it more for the lulz than honor farming.

I agree that phase 3 won’t fix it, which is why I said they need to do something drastic.

Also even if I give you the premise that all this is “exactly” how it was in vanilla the fact remains that if it continues without any intervention the pvp servers will be a wasteland for one of the factions. You’ll see every pvp server being a Mal’ganis (was that the one that was like 9:1 H:A from the start back in the day?) and that won’t be fun for ANYONE on the server who actually enjoys competition. Ya the beta’s will have fun 10v1’ing the rare opposite faction that dares go outside a major city, but everyones game play experience will suffer.

Apparently you “Ristra” are fine with that kind of game play experience. I am not, and would like the server to stay competitive faction v faction.

In the what 4 days since rollout there has already been a drastic reduction in the amount of alliance in the world and pvp’ing. Outside of the 10-40man groups that alliance are putting together it is DEAD, I have free farm of almost any zone I want (and die to said roaming gank squads every 10-25m). If something is not done in the next week or two Faerlina will be super horde dominated and it will honestly suck to free farm herbs and ore knowing that I’ll basically never run into a solo alliance ever again.

Fixed it for you.

This horse is dead. Stop beating it.

Ok, problem 1. You think we are playing vanilla.

That’s never going to happen. We get Classic. The place where a HUGE following of wPvP minded players have learned EXACTLY what they want.

Thing is, wPvP is the ONLY difference between Normal realms and PvP realms.

Homework is on the player. The game has not changed. Only the player knowledge has changed

Oh, and I was on KJ in vanilla. We camped boats.

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If these threads upset you you’re free to not post in them, but judging by your post count you live here and can’t help but get triggered.

Stay :salt:

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And I had no idea what life was like on a pvp server.

Yup, attempted to earn creditably and blew it in one post.

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“I agree with every word you said… But unfortunately, you killed my mother”

That is a quote from the movie X-Men First Class.

This applies from me to all of my enemies in the game of World of Warcraft. In other words I don’t forget the times you attacked me or the times you killed my characters. I will rise up and develop more power than you will ever imagine and you will be the one to die on the battlefield!

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