Even with the mislesding logs he links warriors are still below average.
He really has no leg to stand on.
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Trust us when we say to put him on ignore.
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Heâs currently talking out his but on a level 11, arguing with a dude with 10/10 normal 4/10 heroic with multiple 95+ parses. Nah, he definitely doesnât know his stuff.
Hes an EU player, so his level 11 is just for using the Forums. It is not indicative of his skill or knowledge. He has almost 2000 posts here and is consistent in the information he provides.
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He also claims he is a CE mythic raider, but is not willing to provide proof.
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Then he should go to the EU forums, or link his main to lend to his credibility. Either way, acting like warrior isnât in a terrible spot right now is tantamount to trolling. I donât even play a warrior, I just feel bad for yall.
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Not allowed there.
Iâve done this before.
Validity of reason is not affected by source, it is reason.
A; Thatâs not what trolling is.
B; When youâre this vague yet definite, youâre begging to be incorrect.
Today I learned that this gives someone credibility.
I must say, for someone whoâs main objection to me is stated as being that I am disruptive or otherwise trolling, you certainly seem to do both rather often yourself.
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Big suprise.
opinion
more credible then a 11 warrior. with a imaginary cutting edge main
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Is there a point in there somewhere? It legitimately sounds like youâre saying there are too many variables to cover when discussing how badly Fury is underperforming, while asserting confidently that itâs underperforming.
Then you tell us WEâRE arguing in bad faith, as though peer review and scrutiny are somehow trollish behavior. You have yet to identify how exactly Fury is holding back most players from completing the content theyâre attempting.
If the point is that Fury does enough damage to kill bosses in appropriate gear, then the obvious counterpoint would be to show how Fury isnât performing up to mathematical snuff and is being carried through bosses by overperformers.
No one is arguing that filling your raid with the top 3 meta specs on every boss wonât shrink the window for failure to kill the boss (as long as they all know what theyâre doing). What I havenât seen demonstrated is that Fury is substantially below the necessary dps threshold FOR MOST PEOPLEâS CONTENT. Iâm personally pushing that point because people seem so ready to jump on the âblame the specâ bandwagon when theyâre doing trivial content.
If I can go out on a limb, I would bet in most cases, the only problem is that people feel their place on their guildâs damage meter doesnât accurately represent how good they feel they are inside. I donât think it has hardly anything to do with Furyâs ability to contribute enough to boss kills. Thatâs my suspicion anyway, and Iâd honestly like it disproven.
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Yeah its pretty funny. The trolls keep throwing flawed logs and self proclaim themselves as better than the rest of the community. Hit the back button trolls thereâs threads created every day by the Warrior community disagreeing with you.
Warriors are not okay, any spec, and Blizzard is encouraging us to voice our opinion of the game . Its the pride of these users bashing other peoples claims and problem with their class. Derez your opinion has been made known on every damn post thats made on our class and we got it, message received . The players are entitled to comment about their experience wih their class, at the moment, warriors are not okay and neither is your disregard to bash every players post on their frustrations.
I couldnât agree more, and I appreciate your understanding when ideas are challenged to ensure our class gets the best and most appropriate treatment.
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Warriors are in the unique issue where not 1 of our specs is performing at or above average in the VAST majority of logs and in my opinion, it affects all levels of competition. Down to the casual fury player trying to get in a m0 dungeon up to a CE players in world races getting benched from the team because their spec is not strong enough.
If derez is right about classes not being able to scale with gear better then others. I donât see how any amount of new logs will change our standing.
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There is always that one person on the forum who has to be a contrarian. I remember in another thread talking about how bad of a time warriors had in Torghast only to be told we were fine. And then sure enough, Blizzard provided buffs to the class for it. Though of us who are honest already know there is a problem with the class.
Derez is right about the class scaling w/gear. The curve is linear and pumping item level pretty much maintains the same curve. You can do this and sim it.
It was a thing a few expansions ago w/tier sets & wild stat fluctuations but itâs not so much the case anymore. If youâre dead last now youâll be dead last in four months.
Unfortunately I donât think Blizzard will be doing any balancing until after the mythic race because it makes sense to punish the community for something arbitrary like a race for the .01% lol
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Laughs in the start of every single exp
Arms def did extremely well in uldir. So idk why you are luaghing and fury was mid pack.
looking at legion arms was also mid upper pack on logs in emerald nightmare
Also arms is crushing it in pvp right now.
I think its a bit of a myth that warriors is historically all round weak at the start of every xpac
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This happens every single exp, warriors are always dumpster at the start. Because so much of our abilities are based off of critting, or some sort of proc. Right now stat % are not there to make up for this. So what happens is, we suck at teh start, then once we get into raid gear we start scaling appropiately and start doing really good. then by the second teir we are doing REALLY REALLY GOOD, because blizzard forgets how things scale with warrior, and then we get nerfed into the ground again, and end up middle of the pack, then by exp end, we end up topping, or damn near topping, meters.
It happens every single exp like with out fail.
In regards to prot, prot has always struggled with magic damage, and guess what a lot of the raid dishes out? A lot of magic damage. Same thing happned in High maul with fights that shat out crap tons of magic damage.
Except based on this thread one thing everyone agrees on class donât scale harder with gear. How you are doing now will be how it is after the tier is finished unless blizzard changes it.
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A note on this though in regards to prot.
Out of the three prot has the smoothest damage intake, however we also lack the most self healing, which i dont want us to have.
IMO prot warriors SHOULD be able to take the most physical, or mitigate the most physical damage out of every single tank in the game. Its of my opinion that Shield block should be able to be kept up 100% of the time. Again thats just me, if warriors are going to lack the magic resist that most other classes can access someway, we should be able to take metric butt tons of physical damage.
Again, thats expected, we always do poop at the start.