Lets blame balance on COVID cause I’m willing to bet that’s what blizzard is going to do. Because, apparently people can’t crunch numbers or playtest effectivily from home.
Maybe if they didn’t treat there employee’s like crap (apparently) they’d have gotten a better expansion.
I’d like to point out that I’m skipping heroic raiding tonight, at 191 ilvl, because I feel I’d be a detriment to my group during progression with my low number, I scored 81% (purple parse) in normal, first time running the bosses.
I’m leveling a druid right now, for alchemy, but will probably wind up playing mage, if I don’t drop the game completely and go back to FFXIV. I’ve played warrior off and on since vanilla.
I don’t really think there’s anything else to say, warriors in all specs need buffs, I shouldn’t need to play/gear (which is awful right now because of the gearing nerfs) 4x as hard as another class to get worse numbers.
I guess this is marginally better then paladins 1 shotting things like the beginning of wrath and being told that it would all balance out at 60, which, if you weren’t there, it didn’t.
I literally have WCL and RIO open in front of me and both Arms and Fury are below the mid point on both sites. Every other class than DH has a better DPS option. It won’t let me post links. Just sort by 90%-75% at WCL, and sort above 10+ at RIO for representation. They aren’t a good dps. You can say Arms isn’t horrific like Fury, but please stop calling them good. That’s false as well and hyperbolic statements like that are why you’re losing this “debate”.
I don’t know what kind of gas-lighting this kid is trying to do. It’s like visiting a Donald reddit and people excluding 2020 stats for his Term average.
I just checked, and the 31st DPS in the world for M+ on RIO is an Arms War. Popularity is going to distort your data set, as is the path of least resistance.
If one person can do it, what exactly is stopping others? You know what the answer probably is? Dedication and strategy. The Pride is fast becoming my favorite seasonal affix in both its punishing improper timing and greatly rewarding proper timing and setup.
No amount of tuning in the world will save you from bad pull strategies and wiping on bosses.
He means there’s things aside from raw damage output.
I feel it’s reasonable to note, Boffin is not the one blatantly misrepresenting what other people are saying, grossly exaggerating, and having terrible to the point of unclear sentence structure.
That is not a bad thing.
Then you have missed important periods of content.
Then you’re not looking at the correct points.
` before and after a link unless/until you’re Trust level three, or whatever it bloody is.
I don’t believe anyone called arms “good”. Or at least, nothing so vague and largely useless a term. May as well call something viable at that point.
Simple way of communication, there are three tiers. Top, middle, and bottom, all equal. 24 specs, 8 specs to a tier. Arms is solid mid tier. That’s the most positive description that has been used for it in this thread.
I will ask this of you once. Do not use that term for me again.
Only if you enjoy it equally, or are dedicated enough and don’t necessarily care about your class/spec. There’s always going to be a Top 3, but for the incredible majority of people, it isn’t even their spec holding them back.
This argument is not using facts. You’re being too subjective and feely. Warrior lacks the utility and dmg for being highly used as the keys get higher. Even in this case 10+.
Now that the pot and the kettle have been properly introduced, do you want to explain what objective facts you have about Warrior damage and utility for M+ that keep them from being popular? I’m genuinely curious, because if we’re talking +10s and up, I get to include myself and my experience in this conversation, which is exciting.
With how early the tier is, these are more accurate. I discussed this earlier, if you would like to understand why that is.
Looking at wcl for m+ data is a bad idea, typically.
How does this show warrior being poor quality.
What I see is fury and prot timing 16s, arms timing 17s, and there only being one eighteen timed thus far overall, aside from which the top keys are all 17s. The specs are not dominant, but that data does not point to them being incapable, or even specifically weak.
And that’s without touching on the fact that nearly everyone’s focus is currently on raid progression, not pushing m+.
There is nothing to interpret. Warcraft logs does it for us. Fury is at the bottom of the logs. Arms is lower C tier.
He posts logs with tiny amounts of parses(150) and claims its evidence against the 10000s of parses that actually show more accurately where we are
Even if we did take them into account arms is still lower then average. Absurd 150 parses compared to 10000 parses even need to be addressed.
And since when did class balance hinge off of the top .01 percent?
He just does not want to admit he is wrong and probably never has.
This case was put to rest when Blizzard acknowledged warriors lack of numbers with a literal buff and there will be more to come. I guess he knows more then the game devs.
Sir, the Warrior forums is scattered with logs and the majority of the player base disagrees with both of you. You should make an 11 warrior troll too, if anything, you have a ways to level again to figure out Wartior is not okay
I hate doing this, but you’ve literally over-timed a +3, +4, +5, and two +6s this season for M+. Just yesterday, my group did a +10 Mists (the one you were over on time on a +3), and we +2’d it. I was top damage in the group, on a Tyr week, without Condemn.
