Dark times for warriors

He posts 99% parse instead of the 75%-90% which is more accurate when it comes to the avg warrior player base right now. Don’t be siding with Derez’ nonsense.

In PvE content Arms is not much better than fury if at same ilvl on ST/2bossCleave which Nathria mostly consists of.

Arms pulls higher than fury and becomes more avg in the parses when it comes to Mythic+ and they also have really consistant dmg and reliable burst making them pretty decent in pvp as well. Fury is very unreliable in all aspects.

A lot of people shutting down posts about the avg warrior player base while using the 99% parse as a standard parse is a load of bull and should be considered trolling. Not everybody is trying to be a Mythic tier raider so you can’t use that as a consensus for keeping the other 90% of the warrior player base being crappy at all other content.

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You would want to check all the type of data to get the most information about a spec performance to do the best tuning, but parses at 99% will show the damage the spec can do with someone playing at his best. So its the best section to check about spec performance, since the player cant really play better with his spec.

If you go down with 75-90%, then it show the players are doing mistakes or other reasons that are influencing their dps negatively. So there room the player can improve, hence doing more dps. Why not encourage the avg warrior to play better since that more of the issue at that moment?

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You did read the part where he explains why he uses those parse ranges at the beginning of the tier yes?

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It always surprises me how posts like these get flagged. Your not allowed to present data apparently, it’s offensive.

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Sad I know, every time I log on my prot warrior, I stand there for 20 minutes and remember how they got the short straw and then log over to my guardian druid.

Why do you care about sub optimal play in a discussion about spec’s capabilities in output.

You mean the thing arms excels at.

Arms currently ranks six places above arms in st output.

Why not focus on improving your own play first, then.

I’ll never not love having six green notifications, 3 flags and 3 restores.

Protection warrior is not a weak tank.

Look, someone randomly using insults because they disagree.

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Multi quoting is so cringe. Anyone can multi quote with single liners. Doesn’t mean you have an argument or a point, just means you know how to highlight text and click quote.

I do not know what you are confused about.

Responding to a post point by point so as to remove the possibility to misconstrue is more efficient.

I am trying to help you keep up.

I didn’t say I was confused, I just stated multi quoting is cringe. With all that multi quoting, I’d expect you read and understand what you’re replying to. Apparently not.

Not really its quite comical infact.

Yes but it takes talent to make it funny.

Most people can use it to refute arguments, after all you dismantle an argument in order to prove its wrong.

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No, using the word “cringe” is cringe. Multi-quoting is a way to address specific comments clearly so there’s no confusion.

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What is this in reference to? I hadnt posted here in 4 days before you responded to me. I have no context for your disagreement.

Also… good one?

Derez is a troll, he came here just trying to justify the unjustifiable. No one is inviting warriors to high level M+ stones except your guild mates. You need to increase your raider io but nobody wants warriors in any M+ above 10

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Shhh… sweet child. Shhhhh…

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And yet, I have pugged my level 10 key master achievement by pugging. Odd, don’t ya think?

Where did I do this.

What is wrong with that.

Almost like the game should be played socially.

Wild.

Friends? In my MMO? Absolutely ludicrous. How dare you suggest this.

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I agree that warrior needs a look at the moment.

Fury is fun to play, so this strikes me as mostly a tuning issue.

Condemn saves arms from being possibly the most boring dps spec in the game. It’s a great ability. Too important at the moment probably, yeah, but it’s such a good ability for arms that I think it should stick with the spec after Shadowlands.

The bigger problem is prot. I love sword and board-style warrior tanking, so I would really like prot to be more fun than it is. Of course the issue is not only fun, the spec is also bad in areas that matter a lot for tanking.

To my mind, the main dynamic that should be changed is Ignore Pain. I’ve never liked this ability. It’s annoying to use, the rage spender for prot should be a button that feels awesome, which IP does not, and it’s also the ability which corresponds to the self-sustain/magic damage mitigation weaknesses that tend to make prot lag behind the other tank specs.

There are other abilities that could be adjusted. Revenge should be better/more important than it is, for example. But Ignore Pain is the main one, imho.

Give IP a short cooldown, but make it much more impactful. Make a buffed revenge the primary rage dump, something like that.

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Every tank is weak to magic damage and bleeds.

IP is just shield barrier with a different coat of pain.

I do not understand this statement.

That’s true, but so what? Neither are well-designed abilities. It’s the mechanic that is bad, not the name. For the reasons noted. It’s not effective at what it’s supposed to do, it has to be cast frequently for little benefit, and it’s not a good rage spender.

The rage spender should be satisfying to use in a way that Ignore Pain/Shield Barrier have never been.

Condemn is probably too important for Arms than a single ability should be, especially one that is not necessarily available to every Arms warrior. But it is a great ability.

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