The One Piece is real - Edward Newgate
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Okay, letâs go. I was trying to back away from how pointlessly hostile this was, and walk away from things you and others said. But clearly, you want me to share those screenshots of the things you said. So Iâll start posting the screenshots within the staff discord. They donât belong on here because they will be taken down for the inflammatory thing you and others said over hours about other players, and your plans to troll the event. Something you guys only stopped talking about when you knew you were caught after being confronted.
This is my last post here.
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Ah, glad to see that someone preserved it for all to see.
Strongest Engine in the World when he laughed
Ohhhhh boy someones big angy for getting called out on being a crappy person
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I stand by everything I said because I was trying to support you but you were too thick to realize it, and jumped the gun by accusing me the minute after I made my post without waiting to see the whole context.
I have my screenshots too. Anyone you show them to are free to come to me for missing context.
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Thank you for such a concise, kind, and logical reply.
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Itâs 38 screenshots. From a long-time member of your guild who was highly concerned about what they saw.
PS -Sorry, final post.
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Is this your last post or was the other post your last post? Iâm confused now
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long-time member of your guild*
*inactive holdover from our time in SLP who is also your officer and abused the trust placed in him to make you paranoid and upset.
Fixed it for you.
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Iâm here waiting for some snappy comeback thats their final final final for real post.
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Iâm gonna ignore the fact youâre quoting Sun Tzu here because⊠what?
This eventâs issue had nothing to do with in-character diplomacy or âbasic tacticsâ, and it has to do with the out-of-character coordination. Seriously, this post reads as incredibly condescending to those who have grievances with this event.
At no point in âbalancedâ world pvp should a 23 man raid have a 40man dropped on them. The Alliance raid dropped 7 geared members in order to ensure that the numbers were balanced, and Horde coordination repeatedly failed to inform us how many they had in-raid.
A certain amount of courtesy is demanded in RP-PvP- which was certainly not displayed by the corpse camping that occurred whenever the Alliance clashed. Given that the UCN coordination asked for no corpse camping for weeks ahead of time, it is a case of ârules for thee, not for me.â
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I had a lot of fun in this event, I was a bit scared the even would be one-sided given I was told multiple multi-glad were involved on the alliance side, but despite all struggle, or rather perhaps we understood the seriousness and skill of our rivals we still managed to claim the lives of some of these prisoners, but sadly some of the most dangerous criminals of the Forsaken had escaped.
I wouldâve wished the alliance raid had been a bit more coordinated, but other than that it was a good hunt.
It was fine to do minor retcons of âletting some prisoners escape twiceâ for the sake of the gameplay, but other than that thereâs not much I can add.
The most important feedback I can give is that I wish this event wouldâve taken multiple days so I could see both sides of the conflict, I miss WPVP-RP so much and Blizzard took these kinds of servers from us years ago.
On horde we had two mayor groups, one channel for just stealthies and then another for most of the death ball.
I am not sure what strategy the alliance used, but whilist being more scattered made them significantly weaker in the large fights, it def. allowed for more rescues from these prisoners.
I would like to see something like this again, on multiple days a week, and also to have sessions of 20 vs 20 and those large 40+ vs 40+ on multiple days BUT I also understand not everyone is a fan of rp-pvp and that is ok too.
"In the spirit of feedback though I will say I can understand where Eastvale and the non-scarlet alliance participation is coming from. Being a fraction of the total number VS a murderball of horde can feel bad.
To that, my suggestion would be to limit the hunters to smaller teams, disperse them into the field at set intervals, and have a few more judges/refs on hand to observe the field and break apart large groups that begin to form.
As this was a highly objective based PVP-RP event, I think it would do a world of good to stress and guide people towards playing the outlined objective and win condition rather than clumping up to simply kill. (Not that just killing ainât fun, cause it is.)
I know it is not a perfect suggestion but I think it could go a ways towards alleviating this very issue of a large number of horde swarming a smaller number of alliance by encouraging the PVPerâs to spread out across the whole of the zone instead of traveling in mass.
This has been my ted talk."
You know, letâs dig a little deeper.
I think the horde was more incentiviced to be together ICly due to the fact that there werenât such large ideological divides in their characters and just one single leader kind of taking over, whilist it sounds like the alliance had more of too many chefs in the same kitchen, having the scarlet guilds take on their own side whilist the general alliance didnât seem to colaborate much with them.
I do agree there needs to be both a murderball and smaller teams next year, and again I do incist that we do separate days. Despite all the fun drama and stuff (Sorry not reading all the thread but I imagine itâs the usual stuff that happens when WPVP happens) I am sure most people will come back next year, and making this one of the best events on both WRA and MG.
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Wtf why is that guy roleplaying in the thread
âPain. Agony. My split wpvp groups are owned through the cavernous deeps.â
-deathwing
Edit; sorry it was my dad who said that actually it is an open rp tho
To the event itself and to Eastvaleâs more substantiated critiques, and I only pop in here as a veteran RP-PvPer (GM, officer, rated PvP, and WPvP raid leads, etc) from the OG Emerald Dream days who attended the event, nothing more - We were informed, rightfully, there was something along the lines of 60 Alliance players for the event. I stress players and not members. When it comes to RP-PvP it doesnt matter if youâre a Scarlet, an Argent, or a SW Knight. Those who play the blue faction, play the blue faction and therefore could fight the red faction. This was the reason for balancing primarily due to mechanics. Similar to how the critique is now that 20v40 (in actuality most-all fights were about 30) is not fair nor fun, nor would potentially 60v40. This was a valid issue to address and hence why individuals from both groups were asked to sit to make it 40v40 players.
This lead into an awareness raised in the Horde chat as we were preparing that there was going to be two groups. We did not know if they were going to be 40(ish) person murderballing or splitting up. To us in the Horde raid, we determined it was better to stay as grouped as possible, had our focus targets, CDâs to call, etc. We also had our stealth/hunter group of about 5+, initially, looking for prisoners scared and alone outside of the murderball.
While I understand the very IC differences happening here, especially as someone who also has an unrelated Scarlet, as it makes perfect thematic sense for Scarlets to avoid Alliance as theyâd ideally be murdered by both them and the Horde, there should have been some OOC communication and coordination between the two 20 person groups to make it 40 once it was determined the Horde were running 40. That is RP-PvP/WPvP 101, I am sorry to say. To that end, I had split off from the muderball group on my hunter to do, well, hunting once noticing these fights were going sort of quick in an attempt to even it up not even from a #s perspective as that was not even a consideration to me at the time, but as a fully conquest geared hunter when I know there were people (Horde and Alliance) in greens.
All that to say, I had an enjoyable time but that is easy to say when youâre not in the raid often dying. I died plenty of times getting caught out by both groups, whole and in part, looking for prisoners. I got one, nearly got a 2nd until a well timed LoH came in. Despite the blues dying (Alliance and Scarlet), they still got a nearly even amount of prisoners - the objective. To me that speaks of balance to the event as a whole - just as you can lose in DPS, healing, kills, etc in a BG, but still win the BG because it is objective based.
Overall, I still believe it was a very successful event and donât want to see some poor experiences due to innocent miscommunication ruin future potential RP-PvP events. They are some of my favorite. In the future when this event runs again, I do see the potential of having a Scarlet night and an Alliance night, if scheduling and bandwidth allows. That could also be really fun for the RP itself. There is a difference in RP and excitement between killing Scarlets and killing Alliance, especially as Forsaken and Blood Elves (given how many GD void elves yall have). I also see the potential, if bandwidth allows, for groups to be split into 5 person parties that remain relatively separate rather than murderballing. That takes a lot more coordination and discipline, but possible. I do believe that the event should have been 40v40 and asking some of the higher represented party to sit out, and it should stay that way. The issue here, Im seeing, is again miscommunication for the fighting itself. I am sorry for those who typically do not PvP and potentially grinded out an honor set did not have the greatest time. Iâd ask them to give it another try and Iâll even offer helping (H or A) in arenas to gear.
Lastly, I am also sorry to the poor Scarlet pali I aimed shottâd down to 20% and then just kill shottâd dead on the road. Youâre a real trooper 
Its exactly what it is Plague. Giving me flashbacks from the ED days when this would happen every other week.
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In a lot of different ways, the end result of this event is just sadness. Sadness, disappointment, a lot of pointless frustration, and decade plus friendships now in tatters. Everyone has their opinions on why it was or was not fun, and thatâs fine, World PvP is always a mixed bag. But this situation would have been completely avoided if Horde leadership had coordinated with us better, and had not been so obsessed with âlooking badâ that they actively sabotaged and spied on the Alliance (I exclude Scarlets and Scarlet affiliates from this term).
It has left incredibly sour tastes in a lot of mouths. Itâs just sad. As in, I am personally, deeply, sad.
The reason the Alliance is so upset is because we were forced to be lumped in with a group that was ICly and OOCly impossible to work with from the jump. Not only was there beefing between the subfactions before the event even started, but the optics on it are insanely poor. Sure, maybe at the start it looked like it would be 60 v 40, but that perspective is very misleading and failed to take into consideration the dynamics at play despite consistent warnings from Alliance side leadership that there would be an issue.
Many of the Scarlet players also have characters or are officers in UCN and other Horde side guilds, and the leader of the mercenary company working with the scarlets is also a Minister for the Forsaken controlled Eternal Court project - one of the primary organizational sponsors of DotD. So saying that the âAlliance was just poorly coordinatedâ is kind of misleading from the jump when half of the âAllianceâ is composed of a hostile IC faction played by players who are deeply enmeshed with the Horde and in some cases have IC and OOC loyalty to the Horde as well. We even tried to reach out to the Scarlets, but their leaders ignored us (again, understandable, Scarlets should never be lumped in with Alliance players). They were rewarded for this by basically being passed over by the Horde raid - which mostly focused the other Alliance players down to the exclusion of the Scarlet groups, included by not limited to trolling, graveyard camping, emote spamming, etc. We tried to suggest running two separate runs - one for Scarlets and one for Alliance, but again this suggestion was ignored.
All this on the back of weeks and weeks of Horde leadership practically begging Alliance to ânot go hardâ, âbe easyâ, âbe understanding that Horde players arenât PvPers and are just normal Rpers!â and generally creating a victim complex of âwoe is Hordeâ. After enduring these guilt trip pleas, when we arrived we discovered the Horde leadership had imported an off-server PvP guild, many of whom did not even have TRPs, who used specialized addons, premade macros, and used stolen screenshots of Alliance prisoner and battle coordination obtained by a UCN officer / Scarlet Co-GM/Officer from the Eastvale guild discord. The UCN officer / Scarlet Guild Master in question, when caught, proceeded to rage abuse his powers and delete character RP channels from the Eastvale discord - defacing our server.
Let that sink in. An officer of UCN. Who is also a GM / Officer of the main Scarlet guild that composed 1/2 of the âAlliance factionâ, leaked screenshots of Alliance planning and then, when caught, proceeded to grief us by defacing our discord. Whatâs even more sad is that this person is someone Iâve known for 10+ years. Someone who I considered a friend. How can we not walk away thinking this was rigged? Or at least that there was heavy bias at play in the decisions that were made by Horde coordination? I cannot even begin to express the depth of my absolute disappointment. Horde coordination spent hours upon hours yelling at us over a couple of Alliance members who vaguely joked about trolling the event after the pre-event debacle earlier in the week that left many Alliance members angry (which they are now desperately trying to hold up out of context in order to cover up this debacle). Yet, when one of their own, an - officer - in both the UCN and Embers of the Flame, decided to - actually - grief and troll by defacing a discord he held a trusted position in, itâs been absolute crickets (to the UCN GMâs credit, she did tell me in DMs that the behavior was unacceptable. I am hopeful that either action will be taken or, at minimum, we receive an apology. TBD if Horde Coordination practices what they preach).
Even if this was an innocent series of mistakes and miscommunications (which it very well might be, which I very much WANT it to be), itâs still really really really bad optics. Itâs still an example of bad leadership, poor understanding of the game, and bad administration. Please, next year, do better. Iâve attended every Dance of the Dead for years. I was a former prisoner. Historically, I have been a huge supporter of the event and its leaders, and have wanted desperately to see it be successful. I think itâs a cool event in theory, and up until the past week I have been friends with the coordinators for literally over a decade (other than this, I actually want to think the Horde coordinators are good people - people who I still hope in the future I can be friends with if they are able to fully grasp just how badly they messed up and make the appropriate apologies). I donât want my friendships with people Iâve worked with for so long, whoâve I known since I was a kid, who Iâve met in real life, shed tears with, and held arms in common cause with, to be destroyed. I mourn this. I want these friendships back, but I wonât be abused.
Iâm so sad. Iâm so disheartened. All of this could have been avoided if the Horde coordinators had listened, if they had not been so toxically vitriolic whenever we made suggestions, and if they had not been so obsessed with winning that they abused Alliance members just so they could come out the victors and look cool. If this had just been another world PvP event where maybe things werenât perfect, that would be one thing. Thatâs okay. Mistakes happen. But this was a consistent series of mistakes that we tried to warn the Horde coordinators about, and ultimately it fell on deaf ears.
All of this said, I hope the festival tonight is a success and that people have fun. I will not be participating. I donât wish anyone any ill will over all of this, and I hope that once the dust settles fences can be mended. But if that is to happen the Horde coordinators need to be deeply introspective about their failings last night, and need to come to grips with the fact that they really messed this one up and grow + learn from this experience. Until this happens, I cannot in good faith endorse anyone working with them on future events and projects.
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Just to be clear, the screenshots in question are not about planning in an organized and good sportsmanship effort, the screenshots being discussed that were provided to the leadership team were screenshots of members and officers discussing the best possible ways to troll the event undetected, talking smack about community organizers, and talking smack about the donors at the event.
So lets just be real that those screenshots did not have substantial planning and coordination for your attendance at this event in the traditional sense, but in a malicious one.
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I wasnât going to post again but people of Eastvale I have a question for you: Do you realize that the Dance of the Dead is supporting the Wounded Warrior Project? For those that donât know theyâre a charity organization that goes around and helps our veterans. Whether thatâs finding a home, a job, being able to acclimate to civilian life, etc. Mind you on the Alliance side there are several people that I have met who are either active duty or veterans.
It really really upsets me when people complain about things not being fair when thereâs a charity involved. Itâs not even about you. Or your guild. Youâre collaborating with other people and helping bring awareness to a charity thatâs to do good things. Like the kind of behavior in the past day is sickening and even worse that you spin this lie as if what you said is noble. And you keep lying.
Iâm honestly very very disappointed in you Terez. I thought that you were better than this but I guess I was wrong. Youâre not the only people in the Alliance so do to not speak for the Alliance when youâre only speaking for yourself. For your guild. And no one else. And it honestly hits me harder given that my dad is a Marine. Sure heâs not active duty, but he fought to protect the rights and liberties of many people in the US. You may not agree with the military or what it does and stand for and thatâs fine. But they are deserving of our respect and dignity.
Words cannot describe how utterly furious I feel and how disgusted I am right now.
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What a read. Hot takes to put into the aether.
-If your entire guild had a bad time, and you truly wanted some constructive criticism, you should have piled your feedback together as a group and had a frontman present it rather than dog piling a forum post. Presumably the GM, who was also a staff member at this event. Yâall already donât have a good reputation in the server and this isnât helping your case.
-Normally I donât like statements like âitâs not that seriousâ, but it really is not that serious. Youâre all acting like everything imperfect about the event was a personal attack on you as an individual. Like Jesus Christ. I donât think any of the decisions you didnât like were made with âscrew the Eastvale guild specificallyâ in mind.
-The event is so much more than just the Hunt, and honestly, itâs just a silly little game. I get that itâs really the only part of the DotD that Alliance characters get to enjoy, but to longtime Forsaken roleplayers, this event is really fun and like⊠one of the ONLY opportunities we get to do some spooky fun times undead RP. This entire thing makes me wish that we just did the Hunt without any Alliance involvement at all.
Sorry not sorry but just about every other mass server event is aimed at the Alliance and Neutral factions. Have I had my quarrels with UCN in the long long distant past? Sure. But you know what? Iâm really really happy for the things Banshih and the rest of UCN do for us deaders. At the end of the day: Itâs not all about you.
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Christ, I wish I was there. Wouldâve loved to see all this go down.
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anyone wanna q some arena
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