Sorry, who are you?
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Right, there is no reason to work togetherā¦ So why did your numbers count against ours? You hit the nail on the head.
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From a RP-PvP perspective, the event was intended to be a balanced encounter. However, the eventās integrity was compromised due to inadequate communication from the Horde side, biased rulesets also from the Horde, and the division of essentially two Alliance factions that were separated divisionally, but combined for numbers, yet having divergent objectives. This inevitably resulted in one faction being significantly disadvantaged while the other faced minimal challenges.
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This. The Alliance wasnāt 40 members. It was two groups of 20 that split up and there was no way to avoid this.
We actually offered to the moderation team to run two versions of the hunts, where weād play redshirts for the scarlets and play along with their goal, and that they would do the same for ours.
Two āinstancesā of what would have probably been a 30 minute event x2, and would have felt way more engaging instead of trying to force the Alliance to attend two storylines at once.
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Because at the end of the day it is still the Horde vs Alliance mechanically. Horde would have been vastly outnumbered with or without the Scarlets going and doing their own mission.
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Except it wasnāt, and they werenāt.
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I DO like the idea of two versions so that there is a unified mission for each run for a future time. But for this time.
Correct, this was an RP-PVP Event.
PVP numbers were balanced.
The RP goals were different.
That is the risk with RP-PVP events.
The mercs absolutely would have ignored any attempt by Alliance coordination even in the same raid cause we are āhired helpā. We will just do the mission we were hired to do and nothing more or less. Maybe the Scarlets would have been more accommodating. I canāt speak for them.
So really maybe two versions are for the best.
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Well, certain folks seem to be such amazing pvpers. Clearly the numbers should not have been that much an issue. At the end of the day it was the lack of coordination from the Alliance folks to even try and coordinate with the Scarlets, even on an OOC level, that led to your lot "not having a good time. " Like, honestly, are you the kind of person that throws the monopoly board when you land on boardwalk? Itās a game, you lost, move on. More folks had fun, and, normally, if there was valid concerns, it would have been put forth to staff, instead of posting on a public forum.
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They were not. Alexandria was communicating with Horde coordinators to match raid size perfectly. If we outnumbered the horde, which we still did and still had to cut our members ā we would have matched the hordeās size.
The only way this event could have been fair is if both horde and āallianceā(mechanically) had equal members sharing the same goal. Thatās just factual.
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I think you donāt understand what a 20 player difference means in w-pvp.
Yes ā @Hopeshield
People did not have fun.
People who make events should be striving to make sure everyone invited has fun. Alexandria, the alliance coordinator for this event, made active efforts to make sure this would be fun. It was not accepted. Please do not claim we did not attempt to make sure the event would be enjoyable. We foresaw this happening and tried to convince them to run a better balanced version.
Telling us to just take the L seems like a pretty unfriendly thing to do, friend.
ā An edit here to add: I understand events with this many people are chaotic and making last-minute changes are impossible sometimes. Please understand I am not blaming anyone in an aggressive matter, I just think it is important the disappointment we feel are heard and acknowledged.
And more importantly, that it is known by all that attempts were ultimately made and why we were disappointed.
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Again, no one is throwing a ātantrumā, this is a public forum that was encouraged to offer feedback without the ability to mute or dilute the pool of responses. Seeking to immediately discredit x players because y players had a different experience is truly baffling.
Once more, there is no insults being thrown, there is no melt down, just honest points being made. Just because you do not like it, does not mean it is any less valid.
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Also, uh, as a āserious pvperā in finger-gun quotations here, I can confidently say that some of the horde presented in the party were very capable and good players.
Which honestly, respect. It seems like it could have been a real challenge and tons of fun if it was actually balanced.
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Because again, instead of addressing your concerns to the staff in a constructive manner, you decide to blast it all over the forums, making the event seem worse than it actually was. You and yours could have tried to coordinate, but chose not to. Fact of the matter, your Commander wanted the groups to be separate, and hey, they got their wish. So now to complain about it on the forumsā¦doesnāt look good.
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I had fun. 
I was an Alliance prisoner. Can we end this conversation now?
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I honestly would prefer it if any PvP event be curated in a Battleground. Donāt have to pay attention to the objectives of the BG, but at least there we know the balance going in, and donāt have to worry about off-server players who have no business being a part of the event participating. Numbers can be checked and verified, and donāt have to worry about server lag.
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The continued insistence of lumping the Scarlet Crusade and other Neutral groups in with the Alliance, and dividing them and giving them no real reason to cooperateā¦ and then insisting to balance the fight based on raw faction numbers, is flawed and didnāt actually create a balanced experience. The event runners if they invited the Alliance, should have helped to create a cohesive alliance experience. Perhaps this failure is based on a past laxness and reliance on existing community alliance leadership structures. That would be a valid excuse, but should be rectified in future events. The Scarlet Crusade, as an antagonist faction, should not be grouped up with the Alliance in the future.
The changing of rules towards the prisoner runners, and giving them inconsistent rules, and providing inconsistent enforcement of those rules, unfortunately gave some advantages over others. The rules on how the runners were going to operate should not have been changed mid run. The event runner should not of broken her own rules and given detrimental directions to the runners, in order to make them bigger targets and lead them into a death trap.
The piss-poor communication of the coordinators provided undue stress towards our guild leadership. The entire ordeal of the Danceās leadershipā¦ removing our leadership and banning our guild under false pretenses, giving a half-hearted apology for said removal (while lying to other people who do talk to us and saying we had quit independently of anything the organizers did), then using our public acceptance of the apology as a bludgeon against us to force us to accept unreasonable terms for our further participation (banning myself and another of our guild members from the festival under false pretenses, based on dishonestly cropped and timed screenshots of messages in our discords by an operative of theirs) as well as pulling the rug on the captive we provided by retconning all of her RP, and giving her contradictory directions, and outright ignoring her questions. All of it, is entirely disrespectful of our time, is manipulative, and shows a underhandedness that I often saw accused towards this guildās leadership. Accusations that I in the past actively defended them from, because of their immaculate ability to tone shift in their dialogue with other people. I now finally see what others have been trying to tell me for years, and I am so immensely disappointed in myself for falling for it for so long.
Such dishonesty is happening now, when you come to fully understand that a plurality of these people in the Embers of the Flame are also part of Undercity Nexus, and are trying to gaslight third parties into thinking we are being maliciously derisive in our criticism.
I told myself that I wouldnāt participate in this, because I had no intention of ever interacting with this guild or their events again. But I figure I should at least contribute this one post to letting other people know to not waste their time with these events in the future. The leadership of these events struggle with a crippling insecurity and victim complex that blinds them to people who would otherwise be their friends, and they make them into their enemies.
There are a lot of small complaints I could make, like how the start time was delayed, and a new proper start time wasnāt made, but sprung on us suddenly after we ābalancedā the sides. (Hint, as others have mentioned, the balancing wasnāt actually fair, and well thought out suggestions to make it fair to all parties were ignored.) How a horde guild full of well practiced world pvpers who donāt even RP were shipped in to use troll-level tactics to cheese the eventā¦ something that was encouraged and was complimented by the leadership. As well as aforementioned inconsistent enforcement of the rules.
I am whelmed, and honestly surprised I expected more, and surprised we gave these organizers a second chance after multiple overwhelming insults towards us. Only for them to take our second chanceā¦ and rub into our face and demean us for taking that risk.
This event is not worth your time. Do not subject your guilds or projects to this. Anyone could do better.
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Hi. I saw somebody mention that they had fun because they were a prisoner who got savedā¦ Thatās awesome! I was one of the (few non-Scarlet characters) who managed to save a prisoner, (Not a Scarlet prisoner.) But I canāt say it was all that fun for me - as somebody who was saving prisoners to the best of my abilityā¦ I returned afterwards to help with PvP, but by the time I returned all I could see was Horde running into Darrowshire, and the rest within a very close proximity.
Itās simply disappointing to have invested so much of my own free time for this, when we then had to sit our guildies outā¦ And yes, thereās merit to that, with the way the event was set up. But it wasnāt set up well, is the problem. Despite being āHorde vs Alliance, 40v40ā There was no 40v40. By the time our assigned (Alliance) scouts located prisoners, the Scarlets had already managed to return their own. How? They had no resistance, simple as that. This was Horde vs Allianceā¦ And a group of Scarlets, who are not in fact Alliance, but counted as such.
Iād also like to mention the constant push backs on when the event is to actually begin quickly became tiring. I understand needing some more time to make sure everything is set up, but it seems like the constant push backs didnāt actually help for more people having fun. It only wasted our time.
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Okay can we stop with the really long replies and hate?
Letās just end the conversation now. Thanks.
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Both will be done, public accountability is important.
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Hate and feedback are NOT the same thing. Do not confuse them.
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