I mean, okay? They didn’t know she was evil. The Horde kinda knew Sylvanas was an insane genocidal witch. A small difference.
Well, if we started the clock after Garrosh’s defeat, seems like the Horde already failed. Only took like 2-3 years.
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I mean. In fairness. It’s pretty obvious to those who knew her that Azshara was also an insane genocidal witch. It’s just that she had mind manipulation magic, and surrounded herself with yes men. Much like Garrosh actually!
Simply because she was a competent genocidal witch doesn’t excuse it.
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The kaldorei got 10,000 years. And you give the Horde 3. That is how the Alliance’s sycophants tell time.
“Alliance Crimes are like… gone with the wind… but Horde crimes are always there!”
I said that the Night Elves managed not to screw up the world for 10 000 years. The Horde failed after 3.
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Yes, when the demons started arriving. Just like the current Horde leadership turned on Sylvanas when she burned Teldrasil.
And the exile of the Highborns came after the fighting. When the Night Elves exiled the mages who had fought along with them.
Even under Hitler, the army was still fighting Russia even after the generals didn’t support Hitler anymore. A lack of consideration of the difficulty in publicly opposing a dictator makes this response unrealistic.
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Except they didn’t. They fell in line. Sylvanas bringing back Derek Proudmoore is what made them turn on her for whatever reason. One long dead dude is more important than thousands of innocents.
Sadly ‘‘Just following orders’’ has never been a good excuse ever.
Also the overwhelming majority of his generals were just as racist as he was and anyone trying to tell you otherwise just fell for post ww2 former wehrmacht propaganda.
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This is wrong. Baine didn’t turn on Sylvanas over Derek Proudmoore, he opposed her from the beginning.
The novel “A Good War” told us that he opposed her, but was afraid of what she would do to his people.
His generals tried several times to assassinate him.
And “following orders” is a red herring. It was never an issue in fighting Russia. Nobody ever accused a German fighting Russia as being complicit in Hitlers crimes.
Actually you’re both wrong. They knew the demons were the work of the Highborne and thought they the Highborne were holding Azshara captive.
Exactly!!!
Azshara was, but no one knew. WotA will tell you that. It’s the same reason no one believed she was behind it all. Even the Zin’azshari Highborne at the beginning believed they were summoning a god to heal and remake the world in her image. She didn’t care about the deaths and so nether did they out of loyalty to Azshara. But that’s also why Dath’remar and his group turned in her. No one knew what she was really like, Xavius might have, but the people and the Highborne didn’t. Most of them didn’t care, but a small group did.
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Uhhhhh what
The Eastern front was one of the most horrific theatre of war in history. The germans slaughtered and did much worse (you can imagine) indiscriminately and killed literally every soviet citizen they found.
I swear people need to educate themselves on WW2 beyond D-day and after. There was a war before 1944.
And the Highborne eventually turned into High Elves, then Blood elves, who are on the Horde.
But somehow the descendants of the common class (Current Night Elves) are to blame for what the nobility (Highborne, current Blood Elves/Naga) did.
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True-ish. The Highborne that left Azshara lead by Dath’remar are all dead. So the current blood/high/void elves can’t be blamed for that.
They aren’t their descendants, not all of them anyway. There are is a number of living Night Elves that fought in WotA.
Yeah that’s not fair. In fact it wasn’t even all of the Highborne, it was just those in Zin’azshari that opened the portal and let the demons through.
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Lots of Red Herrings. The point is that opposition to Hitler didn’t stop people from fighting Russia. That fact that someone continues to fight an enemy of your nation says almost nothing for how they feel about a dictator’s policies.
Over time, Hitler kept replacing the old guard with his people (much like Sylvanas does in BfA). And just as the Highborne who oppose Azshara turned into the Nightborne and the Highborne, The people who opposed Sylvanas ended up as the Horde council.
AHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA YEah right
Actually it was… They were outnumber by the infinate numbers of the Legion, but the Kaldorei as a whole, except Azshara and her close confidants, united against the Legion.
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Yeah, a lot of the listed Night Elf “crimes” are not even crimes. Context is specifically left out to paint neutral situations as criminal.
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It’s less that they aren’t criminal. More that you lot have deluded yourselves into thinking the things such as concentration camps, mass executions, and collective punishments for entire races of individuals are fine so long as the person doing it is justified by previous villainous actions.
The issue at hand is that I agree the Horde has done terrible things! I also think that the Alliance has done justifiable, but still terrible things, and I don’t believe that the Night Elves are immune from this.
I don’t think that any of the things that the Night Elves did that I listed were comparable to the Horde. I’ve never once said that statement. And I’ve never once said that any of these are meant to be comparisons.
I also still think that they were terrible things to have been done, and were indeed crimes, and are generally recognized as such by the characters involved in the game. Even if they were justified.
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So many of these are just reaches. I am sure your intention starting out was good but this situation only has one conclusion and I am not so sure that that conclusion isn’t justified given the reaches, double standards, lack of context etc
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Name one instanced of the Kaldorei ever doing any of those things. Ill wait.
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Yawn Nice ad hominem there. But do come back when you’ve actually decided to face criticism.
Also something I’ve noticed. You’ve included this about the Night Elves but not one peep about the Trolls doing the exact same thing to both Humans and the High Elves.
Technically, it wouldn’t be murder or attempted murder either as murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
He was the head of the Army and the only leader that they recognized, even Kael recognized that fact. He had every right to order their imprisonment and execution for a crime that he determined they’ve committed.
Was it unjust? Yes.
Illegal, no.
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While you are correct that Goblins have experimented on Humans, but…
The quest you posted is a (Drunk) Gnome experimenting on a Vyrkul.
Actually, in fairness, she has the Player do it and also, it was with the intention of Curing him…
So, mitigating circumstances. Lots of fault to go around.
He “Objected” to her since the very beginning. He still Followed her orders up until he didn’t.
Actually, no. The Nightborne are comprised of Highborne who who hid away while the world burn during the War, only to side with the Demons AGAIN.
Oh at this point I’m not talking about Night Elves. I’m talking about the people I’ve argued with in this discussion.
I’ve honestly been stunned by many of the arguments I’ve seen made in this thread. It’s not what I was expecting. And I’ll be blunt. It’s turned me off from ever wanting to talk in here again. These are actual insane arguments. I worry for the people who have made them. If this is truly how this game has made yall feel, and the logic it has lead you down. You should stop. No person should honestly come to these conclusions even if they are only in a game.
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