Garithos was the Grand Marshall of the Alliance, and the highest ranking Alliance commander. The Elves and Dwarves ceded command to him as defacto leader of… the Alliance. Even begrudgingly, as the Dwarves are not happy about it.
It is an unfortunate thing, that the truth and simple facts can cause people to be annoyed as you are.
As far as the nation or Lordaeron… that Alliance banner used to fly in Lordaeron… but it flies for one Faction, now. The Faction it has always been. The Alliance.
Little shame in carrying that banner if you want to carry it. The only shame is denying what that banner has been over time.
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The list for Void Elves needs to be a lot longer, because they’re honestly the biggest villains of the Alliance, despite how the narrative frames them.
Attacking civilians.
Sending people into the void.
Reckless use of the void.
Necromancy.
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These are the bigges vilianous deeds the Alliance has to offer?
For the Horde these things are basically considered mendatory as a morning workout so often they do these stuff.
Glad that we agree here on how many levels are between Alliance and Horde in terms of evilness.
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Just want to say that the stuff regarding belves and Gariathros was the original language. I’m not sure what the issue was there.
Forces that were trespassing on their lands.
The modern Kaldorei are those who defeated that faction.
In response to the Blood Elved doing the same to them in Ashenvale during Classic WoW.
Against the Horde, who were actively invading their territory since WC3.
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Until the demons came through, Azshara was supported by them. Now I have to admit that I wouldn’t call that a crime, but then it isn’t any weaker than claims that the Horde burned Teldrasil.
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Sure, and perhaps that can be added to the crimes of alliance and Horde however they were not hostile to the Nelves until they were attacked. The nelves weren’t right to do that without at least warning them
Did they really! Huh I’ll add that to the belf section! Mind a source there?
I note horde actions in their section
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Illegal experimentation on animals. Including, Squirrels, monkeys, and various other forms of trouble.
Experimenting on animals is iffy. On the other hand, Goblins have experimented on humans.
kaldorei of the Kaldorei Empire under Azshara. And as of Cata, also inclusive of kaldorei who were Highborne when Azshara reigned.
I argue any foreign presence that crosses the borders of a sovereign nation, knowingly or unknowing, are legitimate targets.
Actually, I am slightly confused. Most of that was the Forsaken. However, there are Blood Elves in the Ruins of Ordil’Aran. I don’t remember what they were doing there, it was something culty.
Who also defeated the Legion and dethroned Azshara.
Yes. The kaldorei served under Azshara and then over threw her. That was pointed out in other posts… but reading is hard.
If you would forgive the kaldorei who served under Azshara and changed their minds… well, that would equate to the Horde who served Sylvanas until they changed their minds.
I would freely say the kaldorei are guilty of the Sundering, and the Horde is guilty of the Burning of Teldrassil, and what ever else.
I wonder why Alliance fans and their supporters have such difficulty acknowledging what their Faction does.
#whataboutism …
“but like 20k years ago there was this thing! So everything we have done is not that bad”
But people have pointed out. Nope Kaldorei then and now are different.
The Kaldorei from then are Bloodevles and Nightborn. Period.
Your Faction is just composed of the worst of the worst allways has been.
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What was done then is as wrong back then as it is now. A wrong is wrong.
Sure but it has been members of your faction who did THAT aswell.
That is the point.
The Kaldorei despised it and started a civil war.
Except the Kaldorei rebelled against Azshara the first time she started killing her own people. The Horde still fought for Sylvanas throughout BFA until Saurfang could pull himself out of his sulk, and rally a small rebellion that still needed Alliance aid to be formidable against the number of Sylvanas Loyalists.
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The kaldorei were not as uniform as you would pretend. There were kaldorei who fought for Azshara and sunk beneath the waves with her. Then she bargained for them to be Naga.
But where did this host of Naga come from? Oh…
kaldorei
The modern Kaldorei were those who rebelled.
Those who did not are Naga.
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*Nagas + Nightbrones + Highelves(Bloodelves)
No. The modern kaldorei have highborn. Maiev threw a whole fit about it, until she came around.
It is laughable to see Maiev work with kaldorei highborn… while Alliance Supporting Sadsack posters deny it. I love to laugh as the canon lore leaves such folk behind.