CRBG's ruined BG's not Premades

What fix would that be? I looked up the TBC BG changes that might impact the experience of the solo player. These are all that look as if they could help the solo player have an easier time. Perhaps I missed something a link below can help you find what you’re talking about if I did miss one of the impactful changes in TBC.

Patch 2.1.0

The new battleground matchmaking system is now implemented and active. This system allows the battleground to select teams of similar equipment quality and organizational level to battle each other. For now, the system will be very forgiving about creating matchups in order to keep queue times low. However, the parameters will be adjusted as necessary when more organized teams become active in the battlegrounds.

Patch 2.4.0

Battleground matchmaking for premades has been tightened, so it is more likely that a premade will meet a group with similar gear. This can result in longer queue times for premades.

The complete list here.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Battleground

Perhaps the change you’re looking for was in a later expansion? Wrath or Cata?

The hatred for cross realm bg’s amuses me to no end. You are about as likely to recognize someone in a bg right now as you would be if they were server only. This sense of community you long for is an illusion.

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I enjoy the fast Q’s but I assure you friend you do indeed get to know the people on your local server very quickly when you do battle along side and VS the same players regularly.

I was juuuuust beginning to get to know the players on my servers that I play on (Kurinnaxx and Whiteman) when the BG’s came out and robbed me of that.

Now I almost never see anyone I know in BG’s, its only randos and most of them just don’t care enough about winning to be worth a damn alliance side… Horde is different obviously but even that has problems too because again I don’t really see anyone from game to game if I dare to solo Q regardless of the faction.

The only time I see people I know in a PVP setting is out in the world if I am farming up some mats or gold.

PVP in vanilla was EPIC because of the PVP community built around the local server community…

You may see this as hate for the CRBG, but thing is I really do love the BG’s when it’s with and VS players I know.

The 2.0 honor system was the major fix. That removed the honor per week requirements.

Does not fix anything for Pug VS premade that most people QQ over; likely what he was talking about.

TBC did change some stuff in that regard, and added in a light duty match making system that attempted to match pre-made vs pre-made and pug vs pug and even gear level vs gear level.

IMO not a bad change that could be ninja fixed into Classic and most would not even notice or care.

As for the Honor system, who care man; you can gear faster in raid than you can in BGs unless you have really ideal circumstances in a PVP team with already geared players who’re actually decent.

Thus far the overwhelming majority of the PVP’rs in this game are the worst that I have ever seen, not even the PVP’rs in early Vanilla were this bad.

The honor system in vanilla is just cancer. All it encourages is maxxing honor per hour. As for who cares about the honor system? Everyone who plays BG’s has to care about it.

I’d love to just do a casual WSG or two for fun, but I can’t because people are premading to game the honor system.

Yeah I agree that part sucks for sure because it’s almost forced me into premade regardless if I play horde or alliance.

Making the match making system target premade groups vs premade groups only would sure as heck improve things.

What constitutes a premade? Maybe 6+ would be a good place to start?

I don’t mind longer Q’s in trade for a more fun experience

The reason I loved the classic servers we don’t speak of was no crbgs. Playing with/against the same people was what made the daily grind that much more satisfying

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I think some simple rules like queue as a group join as a group(prevents scouting) and the queuing system trying to match groups with other people who joined as a group would do wonders.

Yup, that is something that I feel would really improve the enjoyment of the PvP BG’s for the PvP enthusiast.

As for the whole gearing up in PvP, nothing can fix this game, new gear and weapons would be needed to be added and arena and the whole conquest points system… or RBG.

No matter the choice the gear under the more modern systems is more exclusive in some ways actually limiting many from ever obtaining the “epics” under the present rewards in classic.

Remember the TBC system only awarded the last season gear; a lessor set to the BG farmers, no present season epics were possible in TBC so BG grinding for loot would only ever provide the blue set without a chance for weapons.

Epics in classic would then be walled off behind the RBG system of cata; it’s either that or add arena from TBC and people would QQ Because class balance in 3v3 in classic would be a nightmare.

Removing the epic honor gear but switching to the 2.0 system would benefit almost everyone.

Only less than 10% of people will break rank 10 and much fewer will even get the full epic set.

If you used the 2.0 system the only set possible for people farming “honor” would be the blue PVP set; there would be no option for epics for the “honor farming” types.

But could we remove the epics? Well, no… So how would those get allocated? Conquest points just as they were in TBC’s Arena.

Since there is no Arena the only option then is RBG meaning full pre-made VS full pre-made…

Tho this does open a new can of worms; the CRBG system has a lot of cheating, far more than any other PVP system…

As a result of that observation it’s better to then just Add Arena maps and lock the Epic loot and weapons behind Conquest Points + Rating unlocks to prevent cheesing.

The QQ as I mentioned before would be epic because certain class builds would find them selves out in the cold because of how 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 Arena works.

TBC’s 2.0 Honor & Conquest system while favorable to me, would be a curse to the vast majority of the PVP crowd in This game.

Why does the epic honor gear need to exist?

Because it already does and people already have it.

If you removed those rewards entirely the QQ would be immense; it’s the same as entirely removing flying after it’s already been a thing… You just cant do that…

I’m not saying remove the gear from people who have it siimilar to how people who had honor titles got to keep them. But moving to the 2.0 honor system without the epic gear would benefit almost everyone.

The 2.0 Honor system is more than just Honor gear tho, it’s also Conquest gear…

Blues = Honor
Epics = Conquest

How do you obtain them? Honor = BG pugging… nothin fancy.
How do you obtain them? Conquest = Rated PVP of some kind…

Even if your premise was true (which it isn’t) that “Alliance won’t queue for BGs,” why do you think so? What makes you say that? Are you implying that the only pvpers in the game roll horde?

I guess what I’m saying is just remove the epic rewards from pvp.

Most people will never get them anyways and the system to get them is pure cancer.

Soooo are both systems for epic rewards cancer? Talking 2.0 also…

Rock, paper, scissors, mage.

FTFY