That is pretty much what every rpg style game does…
You don’t lose it.
This is code for, do it on the weekend.
Or the Anathema quest line and priest racials.
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Yes - class.
I can swap to any other class that I’ve leveled up without a 2 week time gate and pick up right where we left off. That’s what’s being asked of covenants - let us level up the renown for each, and then be able to swap to them freely, like we can with class.
We don’t have to do anything with spec to “level” them up. But with your class and covenants, you do.
Right - that’s a difference between your class, which doesn’t become useless/non-profitable after an expansion.
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And Legion only gave 1/12th of the story per class.
Wow has had class specific content, faction specific content, Reputation specific content throughout it’s entire history… Last expac they made two entire separate continents for the factions… they didn’t even do that for this expansion. For LEgion, Alliance and Horde Shared all quest space, and the most difference in content was class/spec based.
This is a none issue… you are simply unsatisfied with the amount of content, anything else added to that is pointless to point out.
all this stuff never even carries over to the next expansion. making this covenant stuff feel even worse. if they ever remove this stuff it will be complete bull. Cuz they should of just done it from the start.
I’m being slightly facetious, as I get your point, but wouldn’t logging onto a different covenant character be the same as logging into a different class? Can’t we already do that? ducks incoming tomatoes
Not at all because of the redundancy. Players get a whole new class each time they level another character; the only slight redundancy might be if you pick the same race.
Having to level 2 of THE SAME CLASS just for the ability to freely experience multiple covenants? That’s degenerate because of the redundancy involved that doesn’t line up with having multiple characters of different classes.
It would be like having to get 2 of the exact same vehicle; one with 4wd and one with 2wd, when you could just have a lever that swaps between the 2. Except that with covenants, players are still ok leveling the renown of each covenant and earning that power - it’s just the ability and freedom to swap that’s being requested.
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Class story is not the same thing as zone stoty
With Covenants, the “specificness” of the content seem pointless.
I also don’t understand why the covenants demand your loyalty … like “Dude, I’m helping you out here. I’m literally saving your anima-starved world’s behind. You are in no position to make demands of me.”
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I took 4 toons through the covenants and it still feels fragmented. I don’t think blizzard did a good job answering why the people in Bastion have their minds erased but not the minds of those they ferry to other zones.
There is the quest where you learn about the war between them and the void and how they wiped the minds of everyone to spare them the pain, but wouldn’t you do that to all the other souls you ferry around 
. Maybe I just don’t understand.
I also ended up putting 3 of the 4 characters in the wrong covenants because I wanted to do the storyline and now they have really abilities. And if I want to swap them to another covenant, all the rewards they got would be locked and they wouldn’t be able to wear the transmog, ride the mounts, etc.
Overall, I give the covenant system a “F”. I preferred the class hall system.
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Why do people keep bringing up class choice as a counterargument? For me, I identify with my class choice because this is the same class I’ve played since Wrath. And that was a choice I made and had the power to alter it at any point if I wished.
I don’t care about my Covenant choice because I know by the end of the expansion it’ll be gone, and my choice will ultimately not matter because the payoff will be nothing.
Also I think about it as progression bars. If I decided that I wanted to have another class, well congratulations I can have a Hunter AND a Lock. If I want to swap Covenants, I’d essentially have to restart that same progression bar. And creating a 2nd version of the same class just to be optimal with the class you enjoy in other areas of the game has never been a thing in WoW and an absolutely insane thing to endorse.
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I agree. The class hall system supported my whole class. Not just one spec. Its sad to see this is what they gave us for this xpac. Overall I wish they would just give up on the restrictions and admit they did not do a good job. The story side is pretty annoying for me as I played some of the venthyr story and thought it was great and felt upset that I had to leave my covenant to get it. The story obviously needs work but only getting 1/4 of the story available makes it all feel so disjointed
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I’ve always felt this way too. This is where the “RP” argument falls apart in my eyes.
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Not to me, makes perfect sense.
One man can only do so much, being the top azeroth representative for all 4 covenants would be too much. They do mention there are other hero’s from azeroth that are helping.
Plus, you soul binds to realm for powers. Wouldn’t make sense not to bind to the faction you are working with/leading. I don’t think this soulbinding process is something to take light of lol.
I think all this lore whining is just searching for reasons to make covenant abilities to be easily switched and min-maxed.
I like that I can finally make another character choice that isn’t Race and Class. Finally… I’v ben looking for actual diversity in choices for my character in a very long time. Spec isn’t even a choice, you can swap whenever.
You could make that choice without the restrictions
stop playing wow youl save yourself and everyone the trouble listening to your complaints which will be ignored because of how meaningless and how little people think like you about all this.
Nope, that is not how I view it.
I could technically have this game with cheat codes, and only limit myself to the experience I want lol, but no, that would not be fun. The game creates the restrictions, and what makes it meaningful is to make the choices you have under those restrictions.
I disagree wholeheartedly with this ^
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So me having another class and being able to swap specs is having cheat codes? You’re also not taking into account players who are participating in content where this choice matters greatly.
Then we disagree, I don’t want an amorphous blob for a character. I want the game to be that my character is the culminations on the choices I’ve made. Like in an RPG. Wow has so little of that, I am very welcome to the introduction to a little of it.