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But arenât Alliance cut-off from the Horde story in BFA as well? And Vise-Versa?
It is. However the difference between classes and Covenants are far weightier.
If you donât like the feel of a class 10-20 levels in you can always go back and make a new one with relative ease.
If you donât like your Covenant, too bad youâre stuck with it. You can change it but if you donât do it at the right hour at the right time when the moon has reach its zenith then it could be a wait for up to two weeks.
Oh and if youâve already made any kind of significant investment in that Covenant it all gets flushed down the toilet.
Not nearly as much as I would have liked. They need to do more to differentiate the faction stories.
And no, itâs not the same, because thatâs something we all signed up for starting 16 years ago. Itâs expected. Itâs a pillar of the game, in fact.
Covenants will be thrown on the trash heap in 18 months.
To be devilâs advocate here OP, but isnât the same mindset that being stuck to one class is considered âcontent restrictionâ?
Personally I feel it is. IMHO you donât really need to grind 60 levels to know how to causally play a class with all itâs skills unlocked. You can pretty much figure it out just by reading the tooltips of your abilities and mastery.
Even Blizzard agrees, thatâs why they sell boosts.
If it were up to me, you can have any class at Lv59 once you get one to Lv60. That one level is for you to figure out your abilities and keybinds.
If you donât like the feel of a class 10-20 levels in you can always go back and make a new one with relative ease.
If you donât like your Covenant, too bad youâre stuck with it. You can change it but if you donât do it at the right hour at the right time when the moon has reach its zenith then it could be a wait for up to two weeks.
Compared to spending two weeks leveling and gearing an alt?
Oh and if youâve already made any kind of significant investment in that Covenant it all gets flushed down the toilet.
Just like any other expansion when your Mythic purples are worse than quest greens.
Compared to spending two weeks leveling and gearing an alt?
It may not take two weeks as compared to the worse case scenario for Covenant swapping, plus Iâd gather working on multiple characters with incremented permeant progress is better than making progress towards shutting down your Covenant choice through chores alone.
Just like any other expansion when your Mythic purples are worse than quest greens.
Yes but that only happens once every 12 to 18 months.
In Shadowlands the loss is far more significant since it is much more immediately harsh if you want one character to bounce between Covenants.
While I believe the Covenant system was poorly designed, it could have worked if it had not been linked to character power. Had it been a choice players made based on theme, appearances, a sense of personal idenity, etc, then it would indeed have been a âmeaningful choiceâ without it having any sense of being straightjacketed. There was certainly a hint of this philosophy direction with the Legion class halls but at least the really significant storylines existed out in the world and in the dungeons and raids.
I wouldnât have objected to the Covenants at all if there had been nothing in those choices that was restrictive. Unfortunately there is, and despite everything that was said about them before, during and after the testing periods, they went ahead with them anyway.
To the end of my gaming, I will never understand someone designing a souldbind system with 3 options in a game with a class that has four specs. And then tieing it down even further with conduit power. Itâs like they didnât notice druids existedâŚ
To be devilâs advocate here OP, but isnât the same mindset that being stuck to one class is considered âcontent restrictionâ?
WoW doesnât have the same class system as say FF14 which doesnât restrict the classes you can do, granted.
But if the Covenant choice is a content restriction, then so is your class
Not really. Classes are not content restriction because they do not lock you out of an entire zones story.
Class trainers are gone. In Legion there is class specific content but few would argue that the legion zone story chunks were lost for class stories. The class stories were good side content in conjunction with the story. The covenant campaigns are a central part of the story with cutscenes and integral zone stories for each zone that help us understand everything deeply. The characters and zones are just barely touched in the story for two levels and then all we do is world quests there with no interaction with the leaders of these hubs and we have little knowledge of the internal struggles.
Why isnât there a mega thread for this by now? Then we wonât have people like the OP who think their opinions are so important they warrant multiple threads vs just a response in a thread.
Who am I kidding people like the OP feel they are so important they would make a thread anyways.
To be devilâs advocate here OP, but isnât the same mindset that being stuck to one class is considered âcontent restrictionâ?
WoW doesnât have the same class system as say FF14 which doesnât restrict the classes you can do, granted.
But if the Covenant choice is a content restriction, then so is your class
The point is that the covenant restrictions are now an ADDITIONAL layer on top of class restrictions.
But the restrictions arenât even the same and players would like them to function the same as classes.
With classes you level them up, then you can swap to them freely whenever you like without a 2 week time gate. Thats what players would like with covenants - let players level up the renown in each and be able to swap freely between them without âfill the barâ quests and a 2 week time gate.
Itâs the same, yes. It just doesnât fit the narrative so itâs not brought up.
Itâs not the same. Thereâs no delay with being able to swap classes. Thatâs exactly what players want from covenants.
Also, the work you put into a character of any given class carries forward. Covenants are exclusive to Shadowlands.
People like to say theyâre a âsub-classâ, but theyâre so much closer to a second talent tree when combined with the soul conduits - a couple of abilities and a bunch of passives.
Iâm not a min/max person, so I donât really care about the Covenant abilities. However you are spot on with the story being cut into 4ths. I do not play alts. I only play one main. So I guess I only will play my one Covenant.
I donât know how others play, but I rarely leave my Covenant zone. So I have effectively an expansion that gave me one zone. I forgot, I guess I have the Maw which I try as hard as possible to avoid.
#Pulltheripcordalready
It just makes no sense to me that I went through the leveling campaign, helped all four covenants, and then I have to pick ONE to align myself with, but Iâm still expected to do chores for others. And it isnât like the NPCâs are smart-- they talk trash about you if youâre with a certain covenant, as if you didnât just carry them through whatever dilemma that they couldnât handle themselves. Itâs freakinâ lame.
Putting content behind covenants and making it a chore to swap/swap back basically cuts the content to 25% for a lot of people. It butchered the storyline, chopped it up and puts things out of order. Itâs bad, itâs bad, itâs bad.
Thereâs no delay with being able to swap classes.
What?
Class, not spec.
Also, the work you put into a character of any given class carries forward. Covenants are exclusive to Shadowlands.
Itâs an expansion feature. The work you put into any expansion feature is rendered mostly useless and non-profitable after the expansion is over. This is how itâs always been.
Putting content behind covenants and making it a chore to swap/swap back basically cuts the content to 25% for a lot of people. It butchered the storyline, chopped it up and puts things out of order. Itâs bad, itâs bad, itâs bad.
We should also complain about class specific quests throughout the game that have always been there. Imagine how many players missed out on the lore of the green-fire quest, every single class specific legendary weapon, the DK starting area, the DH starting area, and so many more.
Except that you can swap covenants and see their story, one canât swap classes to see all this other lore. They are just screwed.
Nice try at gaslighting but Iâm staying on topic. Have a nice day and let me know how that kite flying goes.
All of a sudden content that youâre locked out of due to a choice isnât on topic.