I understand this completely, I’ve played FFXIV.
But that has absolutely nothing to do with you claiming that Discord is an “addon”.
By that measure, Web Browsers are an addon because you can post on forums. So get off the forums and keep your WoW “pure” or whatever.
In other words, you’re trolling.
addons aren’t required. You, personally, do not have to use them.
You don’t like addons, don’t use them.
problem solved.
Because of obnoxiously obfuscated “secrets” and community guides that only list map coordinates or waypoint lists.
Because of the information gap in the AH with add-ons processing market data.
Because of every thread where the suggested fix to an issue is to use an add-on.
So you ARE using 3rd-party addons and/or 3rd party websites. Why aren’t you just doing it the “pure” way without them and discovering it on your own?
Because trolling.
So you can’t shift-click an auctionable item in your bags while the AH is open to find out the going rate for it? Really?
Oh wait - because trolling.
And you are ABSOLUTELY FORCED to use it? Please.
Once again - because trolling.
Nobody is trolling. It is a question of whether or not the WoW community would be able to play without them just as well as playing without them. Aka are we dependent on addons and is that a good or bad thing for the game and its design?
No this is a stinkbait thread for your e-clout.
Answer this question:
Right now, YOU are free to play the game without addons.
If you had your way, I would NOT be free to play MY game WITH addons.
What makes your opinion on how I play MY game more important than my opinon?
Hmm?
Nevermind - we all know the answer.
“Because trolling”…
Because 3rd party sites have all the news and information and the game has become completely dependant on them. I’ve actually been trying to cut back, to be more self-sufficient in discovering things, just in case the owners of fan sites suddenly decide to go private or shut down. But the sheer volume of hidden information in WoW and a playstyle that’s been heavy on collecting makes it hard for me.
But yeah, I’m not oblivious to the similarities in the discussions.
Even if this is a Sunday thread, it is tapping into genuine frustrations lurking around these issues.
Bull. I’m sure more than half the people playing have never heard of Wowhead or addons for that matter - they play just fine getting information from trade chat or guildies.
Because some people can go to wowhead and find information in 30 seconds as opposed to purists who have to wait for someone to replay in /trade or guild chat?
Seriously, you want EVERYONE ELSE to be deprived of something because YOU don’t like using it? Feeling a little imperiously self-important are we?
If YOU don’t want to use 3rd party websites and addons - DON’T. Do it the pure way. That’s fine.
Do NOT tell the rest of us how to play OUR game as WE see fit.
the hilarious part is, the game has never been “pure” by OP’s definition. not since day 1.
there have always been third party sources of information. In vanilla, we had thottobot. before that, I used to have a printed book guide to wow that sat on my desk, I referred to it often.
“pure” my patootie. what a silly, silly notion for something that never existed in the history of the game.
It’s an unpopular opinion, but I agree with it.
Would simplify the game a lot for new and bad players, would open up some room to develop unique encounters and events, world exploration, and even up pvp.
The WoW lifers would whine and complain, but they do that anyway and let’s be honest, if they haven’t quit by now, taking away addons won’t do it either.
I want the game to be designed around the assumption that people will not be using 3rd party resources.
That means putting more information in the game and needlessly obfuscating less.
Then go find a game that caters to it.
Fact is - World of Warcraft has, from the beginning, actively catered to addons. They made the game so addons COULD be used. Blizz actively encouraged it. They gave addon makers THEIR OWN FORUM so they could help each other out and communicate with the devs.
Do they hide stuff and obfuscate/gatekeep/attune stuff? Yes. They have since the game began. Easter egg discovery was part of the fun. It’s been that way since the beginning and every xpac adds more eggs to the basket, so now there is a MOUNTAIN of stuff out there to discover. Some like to find 'em at their leisure, some like to find 'em quick - BOTH ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY AS THEY WANT RIGHT NOW. YOU want to take that freedom away for no other reason than a fit of pique that YOU can’t collect everything in 30 minutes. Too damn bad.
YOU may not like that reality. But that IS the reality. YOU have to live with that reality or find a game more to your liking.
is the crutch so hard to let go of?
The game is plenty simple for new players using the default UI. They get around marvelously on their own.
As they play more and more, become more aware of the “end game” content they are FREE TO CHOOSE whether they want to use addons, push content, or simply be more efficient in their use of game time.
They can use the stuff - or not. Point being: IT IS THEIR CHOICE.
The purity fundies don’t want ANYONE to have that choice. That’s the difference.
sure, but its not their choice when encounters are designed around people having DBM explain mechanics to them, or tell them when to move. its not their choice when the UI is never improved because why bother when players download UI addons, its not their choice when exploration and hidden item content is ignored because players download map addons that just tells them where everything is. hopefully you understand this.
Crutch? Please.
I get the play the game I PAY FOR the way I WANT to play it - why are you so upset with that fact? What gives YOU the right to question how I play MY game they want I want to?
keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you cope.
whos upset? youre the one mashing that capslock button, not me.
I’ll be able to function without addons as soon as Blizz release an official controller ui. Right now the only addon I have installed is ConsolePort.
It IS their choice.
Do they need DBM for LFR/Normal? No.
If they CHOOSE to do Mythic Raiding, and THEY CHOOSE to contribute the most they can - they can CHOOSE to use DBM.
And they are free to CHOOSE whether to use those or just go find out for themselves and explore at their leisure.
Again - no one is forced to use addons. I’m willing to bet the majority of the playerbase is blissfully unaware of addons, wowhead, or anything else outside of the base UI.
I would very much feel the absence of Rematch and World Quest Tracker.