if u r supposed 2 b abel 2 bring raid into ebg u wuldn’t half 2 qsink ppl actin like its ambigU.S. wen blzz literlly programmed teh game 2 block raids
Blizz bans people for far less than exploiting things like Que synching!!
It’s garbage gameplay! No way around this. Que synching teams into non rated bgs is absolutely garbage and a huuuuuuuuge advantage over solo Que players. Que up with some buddies or guildies is amazing and should be supported. But to have little lame discord communities Que synching five man groups into non rated? I mean …what for? Are you that bad you need to do this to achieve a win? And I seen lots of these losers get smashed by pug teams.
The only explaination: blizz won’t change it because a) somehow keeps subs going or b) somehow helps people buy tokens….
To summarize: a) Que synching is for losers and garbage players b) yes it’s an exploitation c) blizz won’t change it because of money or subscriptions
Well, the OP Vrak responded to said this:
Which is identical to how premades are operating in epic BGs now. Groups of people queue together at the same time to make a larger premade.
It’s kinda like when politicians outlaw insider trading but then they do it because there is a clause that says they kinda can.
Kenny with his based take. It does need to be addressed, yes!!!
A group of five is friends any more is a curb stomping!!!
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As I said at the start…this has gone on and on in other threads. That post was before they stopped raids from queuing in Ashran, so it doesn’t seem to apply. ie it was before we even had a way to do an lfr queue for pvp and then the removal of it.
It’s exactly why I said I don’t want to start a debate on it just hoping for a direct response on it. There are contradictory responses over the years and all are 10 or more years old, but we haven’t gotten anything back sense then.
It went from yes it’s all good to, no more than 5 people is unfair, to you can still click at the same time, but no answer on requeuing and such.
We need more direct engagement on the issue is the thing so digging up really old blue posts has already been done. Just want to get a solid answer direct from the source that is current.
IMO, those short responses are CS forum reps or CMs answering the questions, “Is this officially considered a cheat/exploit? Will I get banned for circumventing restrictions?”
If you look at the more in-depth posts involving the devs on the PvP team, they explain why Blizzard doesn’t want players doing this.
Sadly, Blizzard can state the obvious — premade raids are unfair and they drive players away from PvP, but premade raiders only care about ban or no ban.
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Indeed. Demanding Blizz for a formal response is the only right way going forward.
What you, or any players think of the matter is irrelevant and unimportant. Blizz, being the God of the game you play, is the only one who can judge this matter.
Personally I think their years long lack of attention or comment speaks volumes. Whether that hints at approval or disapproval…I guess we’ll never know.
Seems to be easier for them to “start over” with new things (i.e. Solo Shuffle and Blitz) and let everything else rot, LOL.
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Pretty sure its happening in Blitz as well.
Theres a reason the Blitz Que gets reset 10 times before you enter a BG. People arent getting their friends to pop the queue so they cancel and it resets.
LOL GG Bliz
Most media organisations keep a file of crank letters, the bat**** crazy ones that are too insane to throw away. People obsess over this and that and write walls of text daily while some poor intern is tasked with reading it all.
These threads sometimes resemble those files but I’m betting nobody’s employed to read it.
didn’t they implement a fix for this in SOD
I don’t know how much experience you have with the blues, but it is relatively common for them to cherry pick certain aspects of a post to comment on without addressing the thread itself. They do it all the time in the CS forum. Which, judging by the wording on vraks post, would also seem to indicate.
Again, I just don’t see his post as explicitly acknowledging mass pre-made sync queues. Which is what the OP of that thread was actually talking about.
Basically it boils down to that post being wide open to interpretation. So I don’t think it can be relied upon to prove blizzs stance on the issue either way.
What people really need is a proper post on it just like they did for multiboxers when they finally addressed that issue. Prior to that, you could also find similar blue responses re multiboxers as they tap danced around the issue for many years. For many years prior, pro multiboxers arguers would often cite the fact that blizz hadn’t explicitly commented on the issue or done anything about it as proof positive that blizzs stance on it was that it was a grey area they were unwilling to do anything about. That is, until they did. Then all those people had to shut up. I still remember the rage threads posted by said individuals as their new reality came crashing down upon them. They were very angry.
My guess is the reason why they haven’t properly addressed the issue is the same reason it took them so many years to address the multiboxers. They’re waiting for the issue to get to such a critical mass, that they have no choice but to deal with it. I suspect premades are rapidly approaching said mass. But who knows. I don’t have access to the raw numbers.
It fits the definition of an exploit, but people have been doing it for years and Blizzard doesn’t seem to care, so no real reason to worry about it, IMO.
My advice would be to either not do EBGs, or join one of the communities doing them if you insist on playing EBGs. I’ve got 30 AV wins or 60 losses to eventually grind for rep, I think I did 3 or 4 a few weeks ago and only felt like I queued into a premade once, so while I don’t respect what they do the game is still playable.
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There’s a word in there that answers your question for you.
I agree as well, but as I have said, the issue is the lack of engagement more than anything so I vote we stop figuring out their rules and push them to explain.
When you have several 500+ thread debating it and no response at all it feels like neglect at some point.
Preaching to the choir.
I agree with you 
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But for some people (on both sides), it doesn’t seem enough and we see all these debates that go nowhere and last forever. Even with this thread to get a clearer answer (so everyone can move forward), there are still debates about the question’s validity. Perhaps people enjoy arguing more, and it’s all about seeking revenge at everyone’s cost.
People should stop arguing, and direct all their dissatisfaction at Blizz and demand a clear answer. Bump this thread up!
You could be right and maybe this is exactly what Blizz is doing, Lol? Oh, I think World PvP could also be a great place for both Premade and Pugs if Blizz could add more tangible goals and incentives. I would love to see this for sure!
Anyway, I hope this matter will be closed soon, so I can go back to enjoy more BG and Epic BG! (And to try Blitz, which sounds interesting~)
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This is only temporarily a thing.
I’ve said a lot that once rating and mmr get thrown into the mix of bg blitz que syncing will be incredibly dificult to do.
But a game full of players dead set on removing any sense of integrity and merit from anything in the game to their own benefit will eventually find a way to do just that no matter what blizzard does.
It just so happens solo shuffle and blitz are the 2 games where its far harder to do than other modes.
Blizzard has just found a way to utilize this toxic player base’s tendencies to their own advantage by inventing the wow token because they could not stop gold selling and carry buying they instead just implemented a way for them to reap some of the profits from it.
And while they still do ban botter’s said botters will continue to just buy new accounts and repeat the process which they pay for so. Or you could just ip ban them and at some point the money they are spending would not be worth what they are gaining from botting.
The only way to end these things is for the community itself to undergo a massive transformation and stand on integrity if no one bought carries boosting wouldn’t exist. If people were not so lazy and would just bring themselves to get better at the game botting would not exist.
Que syncing wouldn’t exist if people would just stop being so selfish and thirsty for w’s and play the game the way the que system intended it.
All these problems could simply be solved if people would just bring themselves to do the right thing. But we don’t live in that game or that world unfortunately.
So unfortunately because people cant do the right thing by themselves without any outside factors the only that has worked through out human history to counter the self interested instincts of humans is well… fear and a brutal crushing iron fist or threat of violence. Cause they’ll eventually decide whatever they are about to do isn’t worth it.
I kind of have to agree with your here. Unfortunately, blizzard has a bad track record when it comes to pvp. There is a reason most players are cutting their losses and moving on.
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