Dks are death though, not void.
Honestly I don’t really see it working out though. It’s a big leap to suddenly give Pallies a shadow spec.
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DKs wield shadow. Not Void, but shadow, through Unholy. You should say “Void spec”, not “shadow spec” to be clearer.
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And who say they can’t empower both? To wield the light you don’t have to believe in it, you just have to believe in that your cause is just and in that way the light will empower you by itself. I.E. Sally Whitemante, a DK who wields both the holy and unholy powers. Just because two forces seems to be opposites, that doesn’t mean they can’t harmonize together in some way.
Wrong, Blood elves use the sunwell as their source of power, they don’t worship it, the sunwell is a mix of arcane and light power now, they wield the light, true, but they just use it as food, it’s different.
Have you ever play Warcraft? Up until a couple expansions the death magic was the only opposite direction of light, light wasn’t compatible with death at all, void it’s now a new opposite force with both death magic and light. If there’re DK wielding the Light, is not a crazy thing to say that void beings can wield the light or vice-versa.
In the current lore, Paladins wield Light, period. So Blizzard says, at least so far.
Liadrin mentions that they ask for the Light’s power now, or at least she does.
What we’ve been told so far is that undeath + Light = pain, while Void + Light = explosion.
You are wrong.
They can, and some do, pull the light from the Sunwell but the high elves started worshipping the light ages ago after they met humans. They stopped briefly when they lost their faith after the Sunwells loss. Then they pulled light from a Naaru, but once the Sunwell was restored they once again embraced the Light.
It is noted though that some still draw the power and don’t worship. But blizzard has always had that worded as some. Not all.
Since warcraft I.
Yeah. So currently death is compatible sometimes and void is not.
Hey I’ll grant you its possible but theres no widespread use to justify a new order of it among void elves or a shadow void spec for Pallies. At least I don’t see one.
Again, when did I say that is not true? I don’t know about you, but it seems that you don’t read and keep fighting alone, Void and Light are not mutually exclusive, just as Death and Light or Death and Void.
Void + Light = Explosion? Haha ok, I want to see your references, to keep it simple, many Dark Naaurs exists in the lore and just so that you know, a Naaru is a being of pure light, that means that is a being completely formed by it, a Dark Naaru is, in few words, a Light Entity wielding the void, I haven’t seen the explosion you’re talking about 
Exactly, High Elves, we’re talking about Blood Elves, they started taking the power from the Naaru, but after the defeat of Kil’jaeden the Blood Knights embraced the power of the new sunwell. They’re never mentioned to worship the light, they’re always mentioned to use the sunwell as their source of power.
I’ve never say to create a new order, the light doesn’t look for groups to grant it’s power, it just does, you don’t have to be religious or to believe in it to wield it, that’s what I’ve been saying all the time. If you’re a genocide but you believe you’re right, you can wield the light, if you’re and undeath who use unholy powers, but believe in what you do is right, then you can wield the light. Same thing here. The Void and the Light are not mutually exclusive, at least not yet, if Blizzard decides to say so, it’d be a different story, but they have to create a really complex justification, otherwise a lot of the content of the game would make no sense as of right now (like I say, Dark Naarus, Twilight Vindicators, etc…)
A Dark Naaru is a being that loses its Light and becomes a Void entity.
Calling a Dark Naaru a “Light Entity wielding the Void” is like calling Arthas “a Paladin who wields death magic.”
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A little ptr comparison between the customization’s of Male Blood Elves, Male Orcs, and Male Night Elves.
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What you’re describing there is a Void God (not to confuse with Void Lord), a Void God is what happen after a Dark Naaru loses it’s light completely (that means, the Dark Naaru is still the Light Being corrupted by the void) a Void God is a pure void Entity, is different. Example, M’uru is the Dark Naaru we fight in TBC when we go against Kil’jaeden in Quel’thalas (I don’t remember the name of the raid), when we’re fighting it, it becomes Entropius a Void God.
They’re the same people. High elves became Blood Elves in the case we’re talking about. We’re talking about the wider culture of Quel’Thalas.
Not sure this works exactly the way you’re suggesting.
Scarlets believe fervently in their crusade sure and yeah the Forsaken can use the Light but neither of these oppose the Light as a power source.
The void does. The interaction of the two literally caused wows big bang.
It’s part of the Naaru cycle. They go from light to void, Void to light. In the process they lose the light and vice versa lose the void.
It’s like they forgot male Blood Elf players exist…
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If you really wanna see some numbers, do dwarves and humans. I did a spreadsheet of total options a while ago and dwarves and humans were ahead by a huge margin, prior to getting all these options for SLs.
The Void quickly grew and spread its influence, moving against the flowing waves of Light. The mounting tension between these two opposing yet inseparable energies eventually ignited a series of catastrophic explosions, rupturing the fabric of creation and birthing a new realm into existence.
World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1, page 18
See I don’t agree with this assessment, and I see it coined often.
Even if it wasn’t called a “paladin” I would love a void themed class that is identical to Paladin in mechanics. Same exact abilities just with different names, icons, and visuals. Uses the same gear as Paladins. Has a melee dps, healing, and tank spec. That’s not a Death Knight, it’s a Paladin with a new name and a coat of paint.
I’m not saying that I personally absolutely must have this class added to Void Elves, I don’t. But I wouldn’t mind it either. What I can say is that I can already make a Void Elf Death Knight and it most definitely does not scratch the Paladin itch.
I think the disconnect is between what a paladin is mechanically, and what a paladin is lorewise.
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I think the best option (and as above I think it’s gonna be hard with the lore) would be to give a fourth spec.
Like how there are currently no canonical Holy Priest Velfs, there would only be canonical shadow void paladins among velfs.
Not sure I’m for or against that either. I just think it’d be hard to get done well.
Exactly.
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That seems like a fairly good way to get burnt at the stake by one’s fellow paladins.
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I agree.
It’ll be hard to find a way to fit that in the lore without a retcon. Trying to make it feel like an evolution would be daunting.
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You literally couldn’t do it without a retcon and tbh why? Death knights have always filled the role of anti-paladin in Warcraft, void paladins would be weird.
They could have the Void Elves start it up and teach other paladins who’ve gotten disillusioned with the order…
Less a retcon and more a schism.
Even that doesn’t feel very good story wise to me.
Plus how would you explain the Horde getting it?
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Blood Elves were High Elves and High Elves are not Blood Elves. Blood Elves are the Elves that follow Kael’thas after the events in the Third-War, talking about both as a same is just a mistake lorewise speaking.
The thing here is that, is true that the light and the void are the absence of each other, they’re also both bound to be together, otherwise the universe of warcraft wouldn’t be what it is, because of the co-existence of both of this powers.
It is. I just clarified, a Dark Naaru is still a Naaru, a light entity. A Void God is what’s left of that Naaru after the light in itself is gone. I was just correcting the previous mistake to don’t confuse the people that read it.
“Light and Shadow are the most fundamental forces in existence. Although contradictory by their very nature, they are bound together on a cosmic scale. One cannot exist without the other. Pure Light and Shadow dwell in realms outside the borders of reality. Light manifests as holy magic, while Shadow (also referred to as ‘the Void’) appears as Shadow magic.”
World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1, page 11.
You just explained the origin of the physical universe, yes it was a clash between the only two powers that existed, but they’re not mutually exclusive, as you can see, they have to harmonize together to keep the existence as it is. I’m talking about the void and the light in the physical plane of existence, not in the beginning where there wasn’t any of it.