How exactly? Gilded equiv dropped at 18 in the previous xpacs. 8s are equiv to 18s.
and you got mythiv loot in the vault. Not a hard capped 619 heroic piece thats literally the same as the champ piece at 619
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the upgrade system wasnt a thing like this until DF
Aspects was lowered to 18 because people wanted free loots, then further lowered to 16 because people wanted more free loots.
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Was 16 actually, and 6 in S4 post squish.
18 was the minimum key for a myth slot in vault, tho.
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You are tmog enjoyer. I automatically respect you. Tmog is love and life.
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im just mad they locked the arcane mage transmog behind bleh elite pvp
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Do the content where it drops… if you’re not doing the content maybe you don’t need the higher item level.
I guess I just don’t get this attitude, that everything in the game should be available from the content you do. The items are available, just not from what you’re doing it seems. If you want it do the other content and get it, but if you’re not doing that content why do you need it?
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prolly not down to the decimal accurate but
according to wowhead…
38% of profiles have completed a T8
51% have completed a T5
12% have the “nemesis” achievement
correct, i justy ran 18s to fill my vault lol. I stand corrected but even that should Scream this system in S1 this xpac is a crapshow of why… Why change a system that worked.
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The point here is progression and how it works now. OP never claimed that progression is impossible—it’s implied that a percentage of the player base is progressing (even if that’s just a rough estimate).
The real question is: Is the current system the best one to make progression through M+ feel rewarding while still maintaining the challenge? In the past, progression felt more organic and meaningful because you could earn mythic crests at +18s. Meanwhile, in the current system, we’re getting rewards from the vault that we can’t even upgrade. This leaves players feeling “capped,” because progressing from +7s to +8s and +9s feels stagnant unless you’re doing mythic raiding, even when considering vault rewards.
This issue has been explained and discussed in great detail in other threads, so if someone is still arguing against the idea that there’s a problem with the current system, they’re either set in their ways or just not interested in understanding the issue. There will always be people defending even the most obvious flaws—that’s just how life is.
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in past, delves did not exist.
Why is m+ progression more organic then cause people can get skillchecked at +17?
People can hit a wall somewhere that they cannot overcome. How is it any different if it was lower or higher?
Someone stops progressing, do they matter less?
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The progression always has a cap. What about 619 is unacceptable to you?
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No, that they actually need to progress to get better gear. If you don’t want to do the high end content, you don’t need the high end gear. what you want is not progression, it’s peacocking.
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10000% correct.
I love doing mythic+s, more so then raiding. But this current system is a complete crapshow of why… why do 8s, why do 7s for heroic gear you cant upgrade, Why not just cap champ gear at 619 and go to mythic and just skip over heroic gear… specially if both champ and heroic gear are hard capped at 619.
Getting a heroic piece in vualt after farming all 8s is not rewarding… I can just as easily do 6s, get champ gear and cap it just the same. Theres no incentive other then trying to et a 9 and unless you have a 2400 or higher IO and 619 all BIS and Stier class, and not FLOODED with 1 wipe key grievers (we all know the realms). Mythic+ is a jokenow
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If you hit 639, should you stop playing until Season 2?
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well thats the extent of the content, now that you are 619 you can either dip your toe into +9’s or save up those tokens each week and convert to glided and make 639 crafted pieces in your off slots.
No, that’s what alts are for. But with this current system, good luck on that.
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I am doing the content where it drops, Im saying that it should be dropping 1 key lower because it is overtuned. Why does everyone think people want handouts? And its always on alt accounts.
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See… would do that…
But theres this stupid crest cap.