1.12 honor gear in phase 2 when battlegrounds aren’t out, is no problem.
Most likely take longer then it would in bg, besides why ruin it for people who want to enjoy the honor system.
These were nothing like the welfare gear in tbc pre patch.
What you are suggesting is stupid crap that spoils spirit of vanilla.
Horde vs Alliance was the spirit of vanilla, in no way is molten core the spirit of vanilla and in no way is honor gear that you get from killing enemy faction outside of battlegrounds stupid crap.
Oh but you are a fanatical pro change sort of guy obsessed about pve.
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Oh, you’re cute.
Equating my support of the removal of a city-raid poisoning, vanilla-agnostic system that is widely recognized as broken, to mutilating the gear progression of two entire tiers, by just flat out releasing the gear in the wrong order for no discernible reason?
I like that. That’s gumption. Little clumsy, though. A little obvious.
Mind explaining how not wanting Naxxramas-patch items to be in the game before BWL is even out is being a “fanatical pro change sort of guy”?
I’d agree with you except the fact that there is blue dungeon items that beat both of them set items I.E skyshroud pants, robe of winter night.
Do you happen to recall what patch version those were, and when they were rolled out? I know for a fact that they updated dungeon drops like the ones you’re referencing later on in vanilla’s lifespan, and this did in fact bump them above many tier 1 epics.
Don’t recall when that was, though. And I’m not personally sure what Blizzard’s plans are for these items.
Most items were upgraded in 1.10 but as far as we know items will not be getting progressive itemization. And if they were in the game and available in the loot table before 1.10. As far as we know they will be available with their 1.12 stats.
Thing is, I played in that gear and was not some crazy unstoppable Warrior in “PVP Gear”.
It will be fine. Honestly serious PVP players will be LF Guild about the time BWL opens so they can get that sweet sweet loot for their PVP videos.
Problem solved imo.
Not even mages use those robes. Ever, they are terrible. No one wears them because of the terrible itemization. Most of the comparisons arent nearly that drastic.
What gear in bwl is better then rank 14 gear?
If they did progressive itemization players would use them, because many of the items that outvalue arcanist robes were upgraded in later patches.
I doubt they will add progressive itemization however.
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Drake fangs talisman
Onslaught Girdle
Chromatic Boots
Drake Talon Pauldrons
Chromatically Tempered Sword
Chrul’Sorukh
et al
Why does it matter, there’s going to be a ton more people in BWL gear than any of the higher rank pvp gear. Compared to the pvp gear most people will actually have access to BWL gear is quite good.
I mean, Im all for it. If they want to put the 58 gear in first, I wouldnt be mad. I just don’t think its as big of a deal as people are making.
Locks for example are going to be desperate for hit, anywhere they can find it. And PVP gear is a terrible source for it. Theres also the fact that to get these items guys need to spend 1-2 months no lifing PvP during the day, then they have to also be keeping a raiding schedule to do MC/BWL/AQ on top of that to fill in the gaps with other BiS items.
Its such a fringe set of requirements that will only benefit such a tiny number of people per server. I can’t really bring myself to go nuts over it. Let the guys no-lifing the game have a few extra points of spellpower… its not that big of a deal.
its fine if pvp gear is better than MC gear, i just dont see that as a problem
MC isnt even a good raid. there would also be no point in having that pvp gear if it sucked to the point that no one used it
cool opinion you have there my dude, you have definitely convinced me that the authentic approach is not very good in this case
I am confused. If I raid MC for 6 months, then phase 2 comes out, and farm for a month or two to get a high enough rank for maybe 1 or 2 blues, what is wrong with those blues being equivalent or slightly better than my MC gear?
I think the issue many people have is that they aren’t looking at the timeline and putting realistic timeframes to everything.
of course my opinion is cool, it is coming from me after all
i guess you dont want pvp gear to actually be useful
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I want the effort involved in obtaining it to be proportionate to the item’s power, when compared to other items in use at the time. A full set of PvP blues is, compared to a full set of similar raid epics, a trivial time investment.
That’s the part that ain’t right, and it ain’t right because it isn’t chronologically accurate in this case.
Comment hearted for the swagger, tho’.
IMO they should have just given us the original spells, debuff limit and talent trees.
And released it all in the correct order; this makes a lot more sense because then the content all plays correctly and they’re not “messing” with things.
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MC was easy, and boring. you could have afks or less than 40 people clear it