I don’t understand why they don’t just address any forum post.
Like why make a different section? It’s like admitting you don’t want to read your own forum and you don’t want to talk with people.
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Which would mean you would think that people would treat them a bit better, but nope everything that goes wrong tends to be laid at the feet of tanks and healers.
Scenarios were 3 man, pretty much steamroll content. M+ is made for set groups who know how to work together to succeed. If M+ was given the scenario treatment, you would likely have no end to complaints about them being “too hard”. I went through that with Cata heroics, NEVER AGAIN.
I’d like to see changes to M+ myself, a kiss/curse set up for affixes, a way to make up score if you go over tine, etc. But it should be content for those that are willing to work within the system to get things done,
Instead of asking for M+ to go scenario, why not ask for a return to the scenario system that players can use to gear up, earn unique rewards, etc.?
Listen it doesn’t have to be thru scenarios. Blizzard just needs to find a way to get around the tank/healer bottle neck to get a better thru put of people grouping.
- add a another dps spot to the group
- put in a robot that will allow a dps to fill in as a tank or healer
- put in a bunch of clickable consumables thru the dungeon
I don’t care really HOW they do it. But they need to see it for the problem it is and stop turning a blind eye to it.
AND no it’s not all how we treat the tanks and healers. I have NEVER been mean to a tank or healer ever! But that does not help me at all when getting into pug groups. BTW I need to go into pug groups when I want to do mythic plus because NOT everyone has free time when their friends or guild does.
I am so sick of hearing generic solutions such as.
- make your own group. (yeah yeah 3 dps in a group for 50 mins waiting is fun)
- play a tank or healer. (NO I love my class! if I have to change myself in order to play then the game is not very good)
- Play with friends / guildies. (I think I covered this, but for re-cap. They are not always on when I am on).
Please please please… this is actually a problem that needs a solution to be put in place. We can’t just wait for people to magically become nice.
how did you share it? I checked your activity and you made no post that I can see about this in that section of the forum - or is that the reason for off forum discords, etc. So you control what info blizzard sees now.
I think they are too busy gatekeeping what ideas are presented right now.
Will just create a snowball effect as you will still have a limited amount of DPS that can go.
Possibility, but it would need tweaks to make the content doable, but still feel better with an actual tank/healer. As a side not to this, and maybe as an addendum to the first one, allow people to queue as hybrid roles, like disc priest are a DPS/Healer hybrid, a solid plate DPS can serve as an OT in rough spots, etc.
Another workable solution.
It seldom is, but the ones that tend to stick out the most are the dingbats that are.
Generic but viable, and if a 3 DPS group for 50 minutes is happening, maybe they need to be less picky on what they are looking for in a tank (I have singed up for M+ groups needing a tank and, while not declined outright, have had to wait till the application timed out/they delisted). I will note though that starting your own group tends to fall flat if your key is a bad one for the week, if not in general (SD is almost always nasty)
Army of alts here, I’d love to take my hunter to M+ but with the way it is, it seems I am stuck as a tank unless I am with friends/guildmates.
It is a problem, but Blizzard seems to be that parent that gives the kids the means to have fun then lets them run wild. I can’t help but think a lot of issues would go by the wayside if DPS tanks (arms/fury warriors, Havok DH, Frost/Unholy DKs, feral druids with guardian affinity, etc) were viable for a fair amount of difficulties.
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Yes it was in the discord that blizzard set up for us. I posted it there instead of the forum because posting it on the forum would imply that I agree with everything in the post - which I don’t. Posting it in the discord allowed other council members to see it, judge for themselves if anything merited a response / post as I did and act accordingly.
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I’m going to disagree that these are comparable. The community council has no power to enact or vote on anything. They are there simply to discuss.
The devs, however, have a long history of experimenting on the playerbase. The more catastrophic failures were entirely preventable.
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I’ve noticed this across the gaming industry tbh. Just say “we’re gonno have to delay this title for 3 months” and you’ll have a bunch of vile, angry gamers, threatening your life or act like you’ve personally offended them.
Although to be fair, there’s a lot of questionable people in other fandoms as well. Let’s not even get into TV shows/K-Pop fans…
I honestly don’t know what happened, but the entitlement is becoming worse.
housing sounds awful still
wdym by this tho
no. i want to pick and choose who i play with, with my keys. nor do i want to play with bots
going forward, maybe. but right now, no.
This is a great comparison because some people just aren’t getting it, and I’m glad other people are finally stepping in to talk about how ridiculous it is. The “introduce yourself” wasn’t meant to be a Myspace ABOUT ME section - it was meant to say who you are and what relevant experience you have WITH WOW that landed you on the council, and how best you will represent that group of people on the WOW FORUMS. I don’t know why people are being so dense about this.
It’s not. You’re being obtuse and you know it.
I see both sides of that argument. As with my initial post, the community (you and me and everyone else) want to make sure the platform is being used correctly because we are desperate to be heard about a game we love that is in a tough spot right now. I don’t count that as gatekeeping.
I’m also struggling to see the point of it all. Even if they are trying to narrow down the “doomsayer” threads to get legitimate feedback… the doomsayer threads ARE legitimate feedback. I don’t understand why they are ignoring them.
I lol’d
This is not okay. I thought the process to be apart of this council was heavily monitored by Blizzard?
I clearly stated I wanted armory profiles available for transparency because we can look through their profile and see if they have relevant experience in the area they represent. The armory is established on the WoW forums, not on Twitch where someone can also be streaming LoL and whatever else. It needs to be WoW related. That’s the entire point of the council.
I’m noticing this trend as well. My guess is because people can say what they want over there without fear of getting banned.
I don’t care how you feel about it. I care how I feel about it.
Wrong.
This right here is the feedback we need. Please CC take notes.
Prosident does. I’m sure he will be removed from the CC soon enough because of it.
Stop arguing. You’ve apologized for your misstep and you seem genuinely passionate about this game. Arguing with people is detracting entirely from what you’re trying to accomplish. Also, just remove your Twitter. Keep this about WoW using the WoW forums tools. It will end a lot of the drama towards you.
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They weren’t elected by the forum, they were applications Blizzard selected. They have no obligation to represent you or me, no matter how big a tantrum you or I decide to throw over it.
This explains everything.
people are posting on alts because 
heads are spamming them ingame
YES. I think 4 DPS would address that bottleneck, but then we would need tuning for dungeons since they are geared toward 3 DPS. Not saying it can’t be done - just pointing out the obvious labor involved behind this fix.
Yep, it stinks. I semi main-swapped to Vengeance DH just so I could get some content done (since Warlocks were very unloved in the first few M+ seasons in BFA). It was an “experience” for sure. 10000000% would have rather played my Warlock because I’ve dedicated so much time to her, but being declined for hours on my Warlock was demoralizing. She’s my baby.
Not everyone can just go make their own group, play a tank or healer, or play with friends/guildies… especially when their friends are all quitting the game. 
Definitely need a better solution.
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I’m bored of telling you you’re wrong, so I’ll say it this last time and let you enjoy the rest of your life.
Their entire purpose is to represent the players in the area they elected to represent. It’s literally the entire purpose of the council.
Now, byebye princess.
I understand why they wouldn’t want that, but as I mentioned earlier - don’t step up to the mic if you don’t want to get noticed.
Uh, most of the ones that want to get noticed would be the streamers. Maybe the ones posting on alts are those that want to see the game improve but feel like they need to be hidden in order to focus on that.
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I can’t blame them for posting on alts. Somehow I doubt the messages those people get in-game are productive. I bet it’s a lot of all-caps shouting about player housing or something.
Pretty much. I had someone recognize my retail character in a random Legion timewalking yesterday and start to berate me about having status and squandering it, or something.
I can take the heat, just right click and ignore or report if it’s bad enough, but if others don’t want to deal with that then I absolutely completely understand.
Why would they deliberately select people from disparate playstyles and game experience if they just wanted them to be a direct relay to the forum community?