Debunked how?
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Here is the WHOLE quote from that support article.
All players can actively choose when they wish to engage in PvP combat by enabling or disabling War Mode in the talents interface while in Stormwind or Orgrimmar. If you do not wish to engage in PvP combat, do not activate War Mode.
War Mode allows open combat between players of opposing factions that have opted in to PvP (Player versus Player). Players that activate War Mode are encouraged to resolve cross-faction disputes on their own. The Game Master staff will not intervene in PvP disputes.
The following actions may be considered dishonorable but are considered legitimate PvP tactics and will not be addressed by our Game Master staff:
- Corpse camping
- Killing players well below your level
I donāt really have a horse in this race. BUT. The thing with this post is War Mode. You can turn it on and off. If you are on a PVP server with a bunch of low testosterone basement dwellers who think its socially acceptable to act this way, then you have no way out.
I specifically recall back in vanilla GMās getting involved if someone was over camping. AND blizzard even added DHK for that reason.
Asmondgold proved the squelch still worked after it was implemented in 2007 and he got a 3 day ban for abusing the reporting system.
Again, so where is this rampant abuse?
NAPS!! MOAR NAPS!!
Canāt argue with thatā¦Naps are always good.
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Why do you bringing up ārampantā abuse? It doesnāt have to be rampant. Itās a problem, regardless of the infrequency. The potential for abuse is the issue, not the prevalence of said abuse.
Also, so what if he got a ban for abusing it? Abusing it still worked. How exactly is that video ādebunkedā just because he got a ban for showcasing it?
Because everytime you people whine about RCR, you guys claim itās being abused a lot.
He got a ban for abusing it, what was that he showcased? That the squelch system still worked as itās supposed to do since 2007? if 100 people are gonna report you, you are gonna be squelched, not proof itās abuse.
Not a single person has said itās being abused a lot. Theyāre saying it can be abused.
He showcased the fact that the system is automated, which is what people were asking for evidence of.
So itās another case of āThe sky is fallingā?
Most current Blue post on the silencing penalty from RcR.
A BFA character? Who cares. Itās essentially a single player game so silence penalties wouldnāt mean anything at all. If anything, folks would be abusing it FAR more in BFA than Classic. Classic takes far too much investment for folks to be that casual with their account. Way more incentive to abuse in retailā¦
Yes, they are going to risk it.
No they wonāt, not anywhere near the volume you fear.
In vanilla, a mute would be a pretty effective detriment to the recipient.
Itās for 24 hours with an instant notification, allowing for immediate appeal. There are still tons of communication options left available, even during a silence penalty. Anyhow, its usually justified. So the squelched character is almost always deserving of the ādetrimentā and the account silence that follows.
ā¦any player who is reported multiple times under the Spam or Abusive Chat categories will, after investigation , receive an account-wide silence penalty.
Means account wide silences arenāt automatedā¦
Then you link already DEBUNKED videos to support your fearful prophesy of RcR abuse.
lol High five bro.
He showcased the fact that the system is automated, which is what people were asking for evidence of.
No he didnāt. Bans arenāt automated.
The guy wanted to be silenced and he got silenced. Not seeing a problem here.
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So one person had an unnatural amount of people report him in a non scientific experiment, emulating a scenario that will never occur to normal peopleā¦ and we are using that as evidence?
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The anti-BcR folks think account wide silence penalties and a temp. squelch are the same thing.
Odds are -more often than not- you deserved the squelch. Plain and simple.
It is rarely abused, it has worked for years, and it -or a variation of it- will be in Classic.
Plain and simple.
Asking a company to not use their modern/current tech/solutions for whatever they may see as an issue is asinine. RcR is a solid solution and not a game breaker, in any way.
Except for detriments to the community. They may spend quite a bit of time silenced.
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Nope. Just an issue with the automated punishment system that has more of an impact on Classic due to the dependence on the ability to chat.
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Do you think they only punish one character for abusing the report system? The punishments for abusing the system are applied to the account.
Exactly. Thatās why it doesnāt matter all that much that it happens in retail, and that also contributes to why itās not much of a problem. Thereās not much benefit in abusing it.
āNo they wonāt, but they will.ā
The āvolumeā is inconsequential to me.
So you acknowledge it happens, then. Thanks.
Grats, you quoted something that says one thing despite the evidence showing the contrary.
Debunked how?
I didnāt say that they were. Try actually reading what I said. I never once said that bans are automated.
He was doing it to prove it was automated. The fact itās automated is the problem, not the fact he was silenced.
And what is to stop a competing guild or enemy faction from similarly abusing the system?
Just because it isnāt likely to happen to ānormal peopleā doesnāt mean that it canāt.
Except, as was proven, they are applied automatically, even if the punishment is undeserved.
But it is abused. Thanks for admitting it.
Weāre asking for a system that can very easily be abused to not be implemented in a version of the game where that abuse is more powerful than it is currently.
Why is that unreasonable?
I love the assumption of ill will that so many of you demonstrate. You all believe that anyone against the automated punishments are just people who want to go around spamming racial slurs or something, and you totally gloss over the fact weāre trying to prevent people who did nothing wrong from being abused.
Why when we make an argument that says āinnocent people can be victimized by automated punishmentsā do you assume weāre ādetriments to the community.ā Iād say innocent people being unfairly punished is a far bigger detriment to the community, especially in Classic, where being able to chat is far more important to that community.
Well, seeing how Classic is not EVEN live yet, I am right to claim that āThe Sky is Fallingā. People are getting their panties in a twist on hypotheticals.
I believe there are consequences for frequent reports which are found to be untrue.
The āvolumeā is inconsequential to me.
So your new stance is that since something can be abused it shouldnāt be considered as a solution.
Ok, clearly trollingā¦ I fell for it.
Anything can be abusedā¦doesnāt mean we donāt use those things. In every aspect of daily life ā¦ that would include RcR and kitchen knives. And laws. And toasters.
But now I know youāre just shining us on as no one would use such a weak and easily countered argument as the foundation for their PoV.
Good luck in all things, dude. And watch out for those reports!
Asmondgold learned the hard way that was true.
What he proved was that if everyone in one zone(it looked like there were 40+ there) reports one person they get actioned. Not seeing a problem.
Now if he could show how one person could get someone silenced for no reason weād have a discussion.
Of course unregulated chat can also be abused, I guess we better just remove all chat channels. Get ahead of the problem.
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