Any number of required 3rd party add ons is too much.
Sounds like a get good issue
Please don’t think any more! 
I wish there was something like SoD but set in/after MoP. Game was at its peak then IMO. Remove the bloat of the combat system and you have a much better game. Classic is just too much a 2000s game for me to enjoy even with changes. I really hit my stride enjoying WoW in WotLK and cannot imagine spending a lot of time in an Azeroth without Northrend, flight, many of the QoL’s it brought, etc.
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I can run and time a 20 with 0 addons
The reality is SoD is better because it’s the “World” of Warcraft feel.
Not the lobby simulator it’s turned into in retail where everyone is afk in the capital city looking for M+ keys , bg queues, or arena partners. Retail could be you sitting in a CoD style lobby waiting for players and the experience wouldn’t differ that much.
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Step 1: You have to start talking business language. How much would you be willing to pay for it? You have to remember, the going rate for 3 raids, 4 zones, and 8 dungeons is $50-$90 + $15 monthly (sub)
Step 2: You have to get enough people to agree with you so that Blizz will see it as a worthwhile investment.
Right now, you are only paying the sub fee for classic…I wouldn’t expect any actual new content for only $15 a month
Thats cool that you like it.
You still have to take the time to earn them, they don’t come to you in a silver plater.
Wrath classic also has a WoW token and its a matter of time that it will come to classic era and or SoD aswell, mark my words.
Also, can you please show me how buying a WoW token/buying gold is pay to win?
Sure it does have rampant botting, anyone wanna make a guess on the reason why botting is so rampant in the past versions of Classic?
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Ashenvale being a PvP zone.
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Blackfathom deeps revamped to be a 10 man raid.
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Runes that can add abilities, passives or roles to certain classes (i.e Warlock tank)
Thats all I can list here, at least for this phase.
MMO tribalism won’t die and thats the problem.
No one is being threatened because people are enjoying Classic at the moment.
Do you have citation to back this up or are you just pulling this out of your mouth?
Retail servers are also connected.
So a lot of the “full” and “high” individual servers are really just 1 single connected server that makes all realms connected to it also labeled as “full” or “high”
For example Alterec Mountains and Anvilmar both show as “full” but they are connected together along with 8 other servers. All 10 on that cluster show “full” for their own server, yet are all connected to each other. That’s 10 full servers that is really 1 server.
This is an old link likely out of date now showing retail only has 52 actual separate “servers” after all the connections plus a handful of realms that aren’t connected.
And I get that. But that goes into my follow up point. That even if retail only has 52 separate “servers” I still feel that isnt the disparity needed (in the server cluster context) to claim that Classic is more popular than retail.
Outside of the momentary situation of a new classic launch during seasonal downtime of retail, which I strongly believe is planned. And even then, I cant say with confidence that brief moment makes classic more popular.
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I don’t think classic is more popular, but I think it’s close.
Classic has been crushing retail in raid parses since it launched in 2019. While the argument of course is more people raid in classic than retail due to mythic+ and other things, which I think is partially true, it’s another data point.
Back to servers for a minute just using a quick example Alterec Mountains, Anvilmar, and 8 other realms are all connected (10 total) so all 10 list as full even though they are all 1 single server. So right off the bat 90 “full” servers is actually 81.
If I felt motivated to check them all I bet that number falls to a pretty small number, maybe less than 10.
It could be 10 “full” and that is still 5x more than WotLK Classic.
Nearly double WotLK and Classic combined.
*at the time of when I checked
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Pay for convenience at most… pay to win is buying direct power with real money. It also only buys gold which in turn some players have millions without the token so your saying they are all p2w by default because they have access to that amount of gold
I think you’re letting your bias cloud your thinking here. No one has any real evidence here, it is all conjecture. I just get tired of how you never budge from your position, you could at least concede that Classic servers combined might have almost as much population as retail right now.
Blizzard would not be making new servers, or continuing to support this version, if it didn’t make financial sense. Just think on that for a second.
Why would I concede that?
Because of your conjecture that has no real evidence, on a position you will not budge from?
I never said it didnt make financial sense. I totally agree it does. But just because it makes easy money doesn’t mean that it has the same population (outside of possible momentarily on launch week).
Its why they have to make a new classic server regularly. Because classic servers are known for that initial rush that quickly dies off. Its the same model EverQuest uses for theirs.
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I assure you, we just got new content in retail, and the flocking did happen! for a few days. Retail is a ghosttown again.
SoD might be new, but, is it? It’s 20 year old content that’s still able to hold people better than retail.
The fact OP was flagged should probably say something about the retail andy, and how they feel the need to go after people for pointing out how badly retail is doing right now. Why have a dialogue about the substantial issues with retail, the story, the pacing, the leveling, the bloat, the lack of meaningful rewards etc. etc.
This happens every time a new version of classic launches. I remember when Classic Wrath launched.
“Wotlk Classic will kill retail!”
Yeah, didnt even come close. Since Vanilla Classic the numbers go down with each new launch and taper off within 6 months. They had to go to seasons because they realize the era servers have no longevity.
I cant wait to see how Classic CATA does. 
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Not on the realms I play on. Both were packed last night. And that was just a content patch, not a new launch. Get back to me when the next expansion launches and compare then. It wont even be a contest.
Its been out for two weeks and is already tapering off.
People flag anything these days. But spare me the “just trying to have dialogue” diatribe. There are pros and cons to both games. Play the one you like.
Am I the only one who loves both versions and find this entire debate ridiculous?? We get BOTH for our sub fee. People can play Classic, Retail or both. Why does it matter??
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How many servers does classic WoW have, how many does Retail have?
I rest my case, Retail is bustling too, but it’s numbers are spread out more.
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