Classic is nerfed on beta

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Then why are you in here putting effort into attempting to thwart our efforts? Seriously, what’s your deal?

[Minnette-kargath]

You are flat out stretching and you know it. Once we hit this late in beta for any game Blizzard has done you get what you get. They may tweak the numbers a bit, they may fix some bugs, but the content isn’t going to change.

You can bury your head in the sand and believe something is going to change, but it won’t, regardless of whether or not its going to release later.

The wall of NO has been broken down and hauled away. Blizzard will listen if we continue to push for a previous version of AV. But we have to continue to pushing until they listen.

[Aelithdra-blackrock]

Everyone wanted 1.12

Not quite the way you put it… we want the classic experience. We are getting what is given.

Nobody asked for 1.12 specifically

[Caelle-exodar (Caelle)]

Right, sure they will.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

I highly doubt the data for pre-1.11 AV still exists in any reasonable fashion. Asking for it is pointless.

[Mini-firetree (Mini)]

Uhhhh…weren’t most of the changes to AV done before 1.12?

Can anyone tell me what even changed in AV in 1.12?

[Polizia-barthilas]

You are hoping against hope if you think Blizzard will change the version of AV.

Read the blue post. They said there were too many NPC’s and that the NPC’s were too hard to kill.

It isn’t up to blizzard to decide something is to difficult.
What else are they going to remove from vanilla because they feel it’s to difficult?

This is the exact kind of hand holding that the player base is absolute sick of.

The old av is what players were excited for.
But instead we get a crap watered down version purely because blizzard think we are children that can’t handle the game as it was.

The npcs were not even hard, the fact blizzard think they are shows how little they know and just how casualised and bad at the game their own developers are.

[Arazlok-kilrogg (Arazlok)]

They stated for a month that 1.12 AV is what we’re getting. I don’t see how you’re surprised by anything of this.

It isn’t up to blizzard to decide something is to difficult.

It’s up to the player base and earlier versions of AV was trashed on to the point it was remade.

Also you’re comments about content update, IMO Blizard is just going to drop this and be done with it. I would be very surprised if we see more than maybe 3 updates on Classic in it’s life time. They want to put as little work as possible on it.

[Polizia-barthilas]

They stated for a month that 1.12 AV is what we’re getting. I don’t see how you’re surprised by anything of this.

It isn’t up to blizzard to decide something is to difficult.

It’s up to the player base and earlier versions of AV was trashed on to the point it was remade.

Also you’re comments about content update, IMO Blizard is just going to drop this and be done with it. I would be very surprised if we see more than maybe 3 updates on Classic in it’s life time. They want to put as little work as possible on it.

No one trashed the old av you troll, classic av was one of the things a lot of players were most excited about experiencing again.

If you weren’t such a moron and read the thread you would see this thread had hundreds of posts all people agreeing this version of av is terrible and they want earlier versions.

It was remade to fit in line with the upcoming tbc honor system to give the same avg honor per hour as other bgs.

And I never said anything about content updates?
We already know blizzard will be doing updates for every phase of classic, all updates are already known they have been transparent with this.

Tbh you sound like one of those very disgruntled retail players that’s hates classic and wants to see it fail, so gtfo of here you useless troll.

[Arazlok-kilrogg (Arazlok)]

transitioning from 1.0 to 1.12 is content updates.

No one trashed old AV? How do you think AV was changed in Vanilla? AV had content removed patch to patch.

The “updates” you call in Classic is them just releasing time gates on specific content. I would be surprised if anything gets changed besides the time gating.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

I highly doubt the data for pre-1.11 AV still exists in any reasonable fashion. Asking for it is pointless.

Oh, look who’s back with his tiny wall of no.

[Érathar-sargeras]

I hate to break it to you but no changers won the difficulty war a long time ago. Are you new here?

[Polizia-barthilas]

I hate to break it to you, but wanting a pre nerf AV is not advocating for changes

For the majority of vanillas life span, npcs were in AV, only if the final patch did they change it in preparation for TBC.

Wanting a patch that is truer to the authentic classic people want is not advocating changes.

If anything, supporting this watered down 1.12 AV is support changes to vanilla.

[Bàdtank-illidan]

Put whatever version of AV you want in nerds, it won’t matter it will be bosh rush city. Can’t change it, no matter what you do.

[Polizia-barthilas]

Put whatever version of AV you want in nerds, it won’t matter it will be bosh rush city. Can’t change it, no matter what you do.

That’s kind of the point of npcs, to stall the rush, to add a new dimension to the game that requires players to work together to over come.

I actually agree with you there, once the players learn and adapt to having NPCs on the field they can easily zerg the game.

The sad things is, if blizzard wasn’t so daft, they would realize todays players are totally capable of zerging any version of classic AV no problem.

The fear that we will only have AVs that last for days on end is not true, the majority of games would finish in 2-3 hours in a modern enviroment with today’s players.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Is it?

1.5 AV was never live during 1.12.

[Lchnssmnstr-kiljaeden]

Yeah this is basically retail AV. I was excited.

And YET.

No its not.

We dont have a reinforcement cap to limit the games duration…

Everybody is like “YEAH 1.5!” but nobody realizes people didnt play it because it was a multi-week battleground. 1.12 could have a fast run through it, but more often than not you were still in there for a whole day fighting XD

Everybodies like “ONOOOOOOOO 1.12 AV IS RETAIL AV AHHHHHH”

No. They made SOOOOOO many changes to AV since 1.12 its not even funny.

[Proaris-bleeding-hollow (Proaris)]

Well I have played about 20 AV matches in Beta so far with assorted classes.

Each match starts with a rush, Belinda and Galv die, we burn the towers and then it becomes a long long fight back and forth at choke points with neither side being able to actually get the leader killed before a counter attack. Generally Horde wins and after a long time you find allies in their base defending it. Seems like old AV to me.

[Palliedude-grizzly-hills]

I am confused, when did they add the 2 large summoning elements. it was in the game when i started which was 06, was this a BC thing ?

[Érathar-sargeras]

And I hope you’re right.