Is bringing a high level elite mob to the city of Orgrimmar which then kills everyone in the city. Then continuously kite it around Orgrimmar so it kills everyone for a hour. Is this considered “griefing”?
From what I was told this is not griefing as it is a part of classic fresh experience.
Those questions are not orthogonal. They are not two mutually exclusive answers to a single question.
It could be griefing, if the powers that be decide it’s a form of actionable play disruption.
But it’s also traditional. Legendary world boss kites are part and parcel of the original WoW experience. It wouldn’t really be Classic unless someone could kite Lord Kazzak into Stormwind.
It was a different time back then. Talking about now.
That’s something a GM would have to determine…
The issue is that you have to know who brought the mob there in the first place. If you do know that, then you can try reporting the behavior and a GM will make the determination from there.
If people are capable of bringing it down and it’s not lasting for days or a continuous thing, they may let it slide. But I’m not sure we can say for certain how they’ll make that decision.
Yes, but is it allowed?
I’m pretty sure I just answered this with “that’s something a GM would have to determine depending on circumstances most likely.”
I don’t know that there’s more of an answer we can give on that.
And there are no GMs here.
Okay, would be awesome if there was a yes/no answer to the statement I said. Do you agree?
There really can’t be a black and white answer to this, though. Back in the day, it was entirely dependent on whether people could bring it down or if they’d have to restart the server. It’s not any different now in that regard. Circumstances are going to differ and we can’t exactly say what the outcome would be.
As Sniperorc alluded to above, it’s much more complicated than a binary “Yes or No?” answer. Regardless, you are not going to get an answer here. You may get an answer if you ask @WarcraftDevs on Twitter, but there’s no blanket answer that a GM can give (and GM’s don’t post in this forum anyway).
Bringing Jademir Tree Warder which is in Ferales, to Orgrimmar. To kill low level people in Orgrimmar continuously for 1 hour. This may or may not be considered griefing depending but it all depends on the GM that suspends/bans me.
So what you’re saying is a maybe good luck.
Yes. Because this is a peer to peer help desk with assistance from Support Forum Agents and there are no GMs here to determine the exact situation and give you an answer that is black and white.
So if I was suspended for doing this. I just have to appeal the ticket and say “there was no clear yes/no answer to if this was griefing or not”
Well, if you’re asking for permission in advance, I absolutely wouldn’t hold my breath.
Whether it’s held to be game disruption or not would be entirely in the eye of the beholding GM. I don’t even know if the perpetrators of historical boss kites were ever disciplined. I certainly wouldn’t try to predict how it would go now.
If you proceed, you do so at your own sole risk.
Yes, this is why I would like to ask customer support forums. So I may have clarity on the rules.
Correct. You appeal the ticket and the GMs determine what to do with the appeal from there, depending on the circumstances.
Rule of thumb: if you have to question whether or not it’ll get you sanctioned… just don’t take the risk.
Not really. The GM will make the decision based on their policies and procedures, but you are not going to get a blanket yes or no to the question of “can I kite something to Org”. There are a lot of factors, and quite frankly, motivation could be one of the deciding factors. Saying:
Shows that you want to make people miserable, which could impact the decision.
No. While you are always allowed to appeal an account action, you: 1) don’t get to argue your case like you’re in a courtroom and try to get off on technicalities/semantics, and 2) should understand that a suspension for doing this is the exact answer you seek.
“Am I allowed to grief in this manner?”
suspended for griefing in that manner
The answer would seem to be: no, you are not allowed to do it.
If you don’t want to risk a suspension, then don’t do it.
If you have to ask for permission, it’s generally not a good thing to do.
Would you get banned? No one here can say.
Would it be a crappy thing to do to your server mates? Yes. And from what I’ve heard, server reputation on Classic servers is pretty important.
Just you know. Be nice.
I like to go to Hillsbrad and kill low level alliance players on Nightslayer. Am I being nice? No. But I’m having a lot of fun. Will I get banned? No. Because it’s still considered World PVP.
This is the clarity I like.
And this is the clarity you will not get on a peer to peer forum. There is nuance to most things.
If you want to “have fun” and kill people in Org, then you do you. Just be prepared for any (if any) consequences come from it.