Classic Fresh "Griefing"

Yes, but I see blue post regularly here to help people with concerns.

See, even this is not a hard and fast “no”. Generally, this is correct, but if you continue doing it for long periods of time, it could turn into an account action.

There is rarely a blanket yes given to questionable actions. Not only do situations have different nuances to them, but a yes given today might be changed to a no tomorrow.

It’s just not an answer, both positive or negative, that you are going to get from a GM, or from a Blue in this forum.

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What I’m finding interesting is this post, where you are taking the position that you WANT to “grief” other players, yet your post about a Druid doing it that you made in WoW Classic Generalis adamant that he is behaving in a manner that is against the ToS, and he should be punished.

If I were a more gracious person, I would assume that you are coming here, playing Devils Advocate to see if the Druid in your other post should be banned.

Unfortunately, I am not a gracious person.

Report the people who do this, if YOU believe it should be against the rules. And move on.

If you believe it ISN’T currently against the rules, and you think it SHOULD be, your other post generally provides your opinion on the subject and is in the correct area. That is all you can do at this point. As you have found, a few people disagree with you, and that is allowed on the forums.

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They do, however they will Not give you a solid yes/no answer to this, as you have been told. If you see it, you can report it, if you do it, you can be reported. As far as what happens is between Blizzard and the person being reported. If that is you, and you are actioned, you can appeal. Additionally “Griefing” is not really a thing, now if it bleeds over to Toxicity, that is something different.

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But see, you’re not going to get a simple ‘yes or no’ to your question. The main reason, as you’re doing now, is that you’re trying to nitpick and pinpoint what is and isn’t considered OK.

This is why the usual offending lines aren’t in your emails in chat violations, or why you’re not given any information if you are banned for ‘hacking’.

If it were encouraged for folks to find loopholes or way to circumvent the systems in place, it wouldn’t be a very good system.

You can do whatever you please, but be aware there could be consequences depending on what that is.

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If you see something that violates the rules, do report it.

If you have to ask yourself if doing something is likely to get ya reported, maybe don’t do it.

Good luck and have fun!

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Nobody’s trolling you. Everyone here is simply responding to your questions/answers.

At the end of the day, there’s a chance that this is considered “Zone Disruption”. Report it if you feel the need to.

Bringing in other hypothetical scenarios and how you would appeal them, doesn’t help.

Report and move on. Or, get involved and have fun. Not every inconvenience needs to be labeled as “griefing”.

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As far as I’m aware, this is not something I know if it is, or isn’t. This is really a grey area. Only thing I can suggest is if you plan on doing it, don’t do it. If someone is doing it, just report them and let Blizzard decide.

EDIT: Sorry for originally providing wrong answer to the question, just woken up.

this was the question "Is bringing a high level elite mob to the city of Orgrimmar which then kills everyone in the city. Then continuously kite it around Orgrimmar so it kills everyone for a hour. Is this considered “griefing”?

From what I was told this is not griefing as it is a part of classic fresh experience"

I’ve been told many things in my time posting here too.

It’s probably more accurate to include “WHO” told you that as it’s sort important information regarding your post.

It may be considered Zone Disruption. But that’s up to Blizzard to determine and they do NOT provide their criteria for such a decision.

Report and then keep on gaming.

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Who: Classic WoW General Forums.

Gotta love the General forums. Classic, Retail…they love to come up with their own “rules” or interpretations of them :wink:

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Unless coming from one of the Blizzard staff themselves, I wouldn’t always trust everything said on the other sub forums, especially Classic GD. Sorry, but people tend to have “it is my word against Blizzard’s”, with people acting like they make the rules when it is Blizzard’s words against theres.

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yes, this is why I posted this here for clarity. But it’s a the consensus is “Maybe”.

And it’s been answered. Problem is, you don’t like the answer, so now you’re turning to wild hypotheticals to try and bend the answer to your liking.

The answer is, and remains, it may be a violation and it may not be. But no one is going to give you a blanket yes or no. There are too many variables that go into these situations to give that kind of answer, plus the fact that this kind of situation is highly volatile and could change, especially if it gets abused.

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The consensus is that what you want is a ruling on a situation that has not happened yet, as far as I know.

The consensus is that you are not going to get an answer from Blizzard on that. They do not give “permission” to do things like that ahead of time.

The answers you got were correct. If it crosses to Server Disruption then a GM will deal with it. They will not tell you what the criteria of that decision is.

If you do that, you do so at your own risk. You can be reported and a GM can decide based on the policies they have, and the individual circumstances.

Again, they won’t tell you what those internal policies on Server Disruption are. They don’t want people trying to skirt the rules.

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Zone disruption as a form of griefing is a subjective call, the responsibility of GMs. And none of us are GMs.

We’re arguing balls and strikes while sitting in our living rooms. No one’s opinion but the actual umpire’s matters, on a pitch-by-pitch basis.

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Gee only place I believe is this forum and even then it’s only the blues and maybe a few others here I believe. If you read it on reddit or whatever then nah take it as hear say and untrue. Also sounds like you’re lawyering it to see what you can / can’t do.

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I gave a specific scenario for context.
I’m not giving wild hypotheticals that was unrelated to my question.
I come to Customer support forums to help give me clarity.
Not bending anything to my liking all. Even concluded the consesus was “maybe”.

It would be nice if a Support Forum Agent dropped by to say something definitive (even if they’re saying definitively that there’s no definitive answer to OP’s question) and closes the thread, since it seems to have become unproductive.

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