Classic Fresh GDKP Ban Thoughts

The fact is your assumptions are based on he said she said from a very tiny fraction of the population. That is the truth. You have nothing else but this and your own incredibly obvious bias. Your own self righteousness is stunting your intellect.

Regardless if you buy gold or not or even most of the GDKP raid doesn’t there are individuals that do.

I’ve been in plenty of guilds throughout classic and it honestly saddens me how common and willing it is now for players to buy gold. It wasn’t this way in early days in fact there was very much a stigma in the community about those that did. Very few were willing to admit they did. Not that way anymore.

Yes there are all sorts of reason to buy gold, but the biggest reason by far is GKDP. If you can’t see that you’re either not being honest with yourself or you struggle to understand the players that buy gold.

Yes you may not have bought the gold and feel you came by it honestly through a GDKP raid, but ultimately it came from someone buying gold which drives/motivates bad behavior.

I hear you about the flexibility and raid performance and it’s a very valid point. I feel for you and I honestly wish Blizzard was just better at banning bots and people that buy gold, but they’re not.

It’s a lame easy solution, but it at least it in some small way protects the community from the downsides of RMT.

Pontification from gold buying cheaters doesn’t land with the impact that you seem to think it does.

Look, while I am not here to defend GDKPs; they are banned for the anniversary realms, so that has been decided.

However, saying that there is a chance, or likelihood that someone bought gold doesn’t justify a ban anymore than it would justify banning selling portals, conjured food, or any in game items or services like enchants…

This isn’t really a question of whether they should or shouldn’t ban GDKPs. They banned them. That’s it. If you care enough about GDKPs then support your opinion by not playing on those realms.

If you do play, then you support the ban. And that’s fine. I think it’s a silly ban personally, but I don’t care. I’ll still most likely play, which in turn means I am indirectly in support of the ban.

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Look in the mirror.

heh… well… there are other loot systems available that are not GDKP and accomplish something similar with gold. I am going to bet those will become more prevalent on the fresh realms.

Sounds like you’re defending them :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t think it’ s a chance or likelihood someone is, I think it’s a guarantee. Plenty of players openly admit it. And sadly it drives RMT. I think it’s weird that some don’t recognize it.

I 100% agree with all the honest reasons individuals are posting here about the benefits of GDKPs. I feel for anyone wanting them for those reasons. Seems like there would be better options, but this isn’t the Blizzard of old where you could speak to a GM in game within an hour. They do things the lazy way.

F around and find out :grinning:

So if it’s driving RMT why does that and botting still exist in Sod? Why will those two things still exist in every capacity as they do in all the other versions? Did the GDKP ban hurt them or just get the more customers?

If we know that some individuals RMT and use the AH, should all AH participants be banned?

You’re never going to get rid of botting. It will always be there. And yes people will also always buy gold. But I would think there would be more demand with GDKPs.

I stopped playing SoD a while ago, but if not GDKPs what do you need millions of gold for?

The AH argument (as well as portals and summons) is just a straw man. Yes with gold buying in the game it will be everywhere, but it’s not realistic to just remove trading all together.

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Same about professions, and all services. It’s fine to say you don’t like GDKPs, but claiming that people buy gold and use it isn’t a reason to ban them any more than it is a reason to ban literally every service that costs gold.

How many people buy gold for Lionheart, or even just for raid consumes? I don’t know, but I’d wager the answer is greater than 0.

To be clear, I’m not supporting GDKPs, I’m flat out rejecting your ridiculous claim that people buying gold is a reason to ban them.

But as I’ve stated very clearly, it doesn’t matter why or if you think you agree or disagree with the ban. GDKPs are banned on anniversary realms. If you play on those realms (as I intend to), then you are supporting the ban.

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Why does anyone play this game? Progression and winning isn’t defined in this game outright, some people see the currency as a possible representation of that. Controlling markets is fun for some, and can be a powerful tool in general.

Why are those straw men but GDKP isn’t? What concrete evidence is there to tell us the ban did anything negative to RMT and botting market that it didn’t do the overall player base?

Yes, but it’s silly to argue the extreme of we should ban trading all together. That gets into a false dilemma fallacy and clearly there isn’t only two options.

Yes RMT impact all aspects of trading, but consumes, professions, BoEs, etc. don’t drive the spending like GDKPs.

Except after you attain gear there is no need to buy anything in a GDKP.

Whereas consumables and high end materials for them will always have a stronger residual value.

Why would someone in complete bis RMT while attending GDKPs?

It sure would be. That of course, is not my argument, as I will credit you with being intelligent enough to understand having read what I posted, though this comment doesn’t suggest that to be the case.

As stated, I think the GDKP ban is silly, but I will support it by playing on the new realms.

It’s a rather silly argument anyway. If you care about GDKPs, then play on the servers that support them. If you don’t care that much about them, then you’re good.

However, you’re making up “reasons” for your preference that just don’t make sense, and that is worth calling out. If RMT is a problem (which is something that is yet to be established - not whether it exists, but precisely why, how and to what extent it is problematic), then we would need to establish some agreed upon ways of gathering and/or reading metrics for understanding the impact that a GDKP specific ban would have versus other things that may also contribute to RMT.

But that isn’t the topic. It would be fine to say, “I don’t like GDKPs, so I am happy they are banned on anniversary realms.” And if that’s the case, good for you.

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I was going to continue to reply but don’t have the time. Clearly you don’t recognize the points I’m making about GDKP being a big factor in RMT (I recognize it’s not the only factor). Have a good day.

I think we’re most likely just talking past each other and focusing on our own points.

To address your point, I do think that a great deal of GDKP gold comes from RMT, in general, if that is the point that you are trying to make.

You as well, and although we likely don’t see eye to eye on this particular issue, I think we probably share in our enjoyment of the game and desire to have great gaming experiences, and probably would see eye to eye on a great number of other issues.

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We assume GDKP is a big factor in RMT. Do GDKPs contribute to RMT, absolutely.

But GDKPs actual degree of affect to the RMT market, even when GDKP is removed, is unnoticeable. As we’ve seen with SoD. Bots and RMT are still as ever present as they were pre GDKP ban.

They sell.

They sell what?