I’m just clicking the reply button is all. No idea why it’s doing what it’s doing. As far as knocking down the HPH im not sure it would matter to those types. If HPH would push people into other bgs then why doesn’t it now if it’s better hps technically?
Edit: For me i would still play AV even it the HPH was cut down instead of wsg. AB i dont mind so much. For me chasing people all over the map through areas that are not easily accessed by all is just something im not going to do. Same with consume usage which is why i tend to steer more torwards mobas for “fun” pvp because everyone starts out on the same foot and has access to the same thing within the battleground that doesnt require any outside activity to give a boost in it.
That’s weird then. I read these forums a lot and rarely see replies formatted like that. The post I’m replying to looks good.
It would not matter as much to the types who want to semi-AFK. It would matter for those who have been kind of “forced” to play a BG that they don’t prefer as buffing the honor in the other BGs wouldn’t make people feel as “honor punished” to where they “have to” play AV. So more WSG/AB games would likely pop. I think that AB and WSG should both be buffed personally and/or AV nerfed.
That’s fine and I think what this thread is going for by itself doesn’t take away from your preferences either. As long as AV still pops enough for you to play it, or as you said even AB.
Personally, I’m really taking it easy in Era, even just messing around. I expect to really be back much more in the next season/fresh and changes now could help me then. I don’t want to be playing AV all the time there either, after the first “rep grind” weeks anyway, so I’ll support somechanges here.
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Thing is, that’s exactly what was making everyone queue for WSG for over a year. During that time, noone was asking for WSG honor/hr to be nerfed but, suddenly, now that the thumbscrews have been lifted off WSG, players are demanding AV HpH be nerfed.
The players that want to play WSG - an easier to assemble BG - can play it. No need to introduce exogenous incentives to discourage the objectively more difficult to assemble BGs.
I think the big difference and problem with the system as it stands is that there’s literally no alternatives to AV, which wasn’t the case in classic. WSG might have been the meta in classic but I remember ranking doing all three BGs. The motivation for a nerf of AV honor is because it’s crowding out the two other BGs.
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In other words:
You do not actually care that players feel ‘obligated’ towards one BG over another. Rather, you just want them to feel ‘obligated’ towards the BG you personally favor.
You are a hypocrite.
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Idk if that was towards my comment but if that’s your understanding I’m sorry for not being more clear. I personally would want to see all BGs popping - not just one.
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Not sure how long you’ve been in Classic Era, but if it’s over a month, then this sentiment of your’s rings hollow. AV was only a once-a-month occurence for over a year. Meanwhile, AB/WSG both got to pop through out the week. The equilibirum will eventually settle but, for now, this is long overdue.
Yeah I can’t nuke the next av discord cause there’s no server wide brackets.
So my 10 can’t raise the ceiling by 400k to force change xd
This is likely why era meta depends entirely on player mood. It is painfully obvious the current rankers don’t care about the best hph
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Yes, there was a reason why I was vocal about the unintended consequences of these PVP changes, but people just kept throwing me under the bus for being an "evil force in a mafia with no life ". It is what it is. Sorry that, so far, the fun hasn’t lasted for you in Era past week 1.
Yeah the mafia cope always gives themselves away as 100% not understanding how the ranking brackets and RP system worked at all in any way.
Everyone who says “bracket mafia” I notice play extremely inefficiently and waste a lot of there own time
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Hey Despitebeing! Thanks for replying to me. I wanted to share something.
So I got my druid up to 58 today and started killing scorpions and spiders for a quest and I saw something magical and glowing on the ground so I picked it up and thought. “Hey!!! This makes me think of another druid from the forums, maybe I can tell him my story and share my picture, and just maybe this is as fun to do as he said it was”:
To be honest the slowed speed sucked. I’d rather zoom around and jump with my kitty 
but hey if you loved running the magic sand over and over then awesome for you!
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Lmfao
He’s a pvp god and has the proper credentials to comment on pvp
It’s a dirty job and mages even find a way to cheat at that! Blink permits one to carry the sand but stealth makes you drop it. Soothe Animal is BiS
Imagine thinking you aren’t being flamed rn
Lmk when ur 60 I’ll log in
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I don’t understand how the people who “want WSG to be more popular” are against any changes to make it…more popular.
Clearly there is large issues with it that make the average player not want to play.
All we have to do is look at retail which already went through several phases of trying to fix these problems. Wall jumps - gone. “Texture casting” - gone. Wave spawning - gone. Consume spamming - gone. Etc.
The way I see it is you either advocate for these or just accept the game mode will be extremely niche forever.
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I’ve read this whole thread and get your point HOWEVER I think changing parts of Era to be more like Retail is a really bad idea.
Why did we get Classic in the first place? Was it so we could have three versions of Retail at the same time that all cater to the exact same market? No.
We get people all the time who come onto this forum and they are like “I play Retail but when I’m bored I like to play Classic for something to do - change this stuff for me” and it’s like DUDE you have your game, why are you so incredibly selfish that you are trying to take our game away from us so you can have another version of yours?
Would it be fair to call the players of “Vanilla” WoW who like the unique aspects of “Vanilla” WSG niche? OK, sure. Should these players be driven off the official servers of their game and onto pservers so that people who already have two other versions of WSG can play it in three places? Like really do you think that’s right?
Blizzard just went through and fixed what they consider exploits in Era WSG and the jumps left are not that because they still are part of the game, period, and taking away the consumes and the toys and the engi items shouldn’t be done either. All of this stuff makes this version of the game what it is.
Also, I don’t think having a niche is a bad thing in any way. Personally, I can have an opinion. if 5000 others don’t share it oh well that’s my niche and that’s all good with me. I’m not about to change my opinion to fit in with any majority, and I will seek out games and play that fit what is fun for me, not what is fun for my neighbor across the street. “Vanilla” is fun for me and I’ll play it over and over and I don’t care what anyone thinks about that. Other versions of WoW do not do it for me, and I connect with like-minded people who are the same and that’s how it is.
So that’s my long thread rant, if Blizzard wants to just cater to the people who already have other versions of WoW they’ll lose the part of their audience that Classic was designed to get back.
Having said that I don’t think Blizzard has any intentions to change how Era WSG works. Would it harm anything to increase the honor of WSG/AB and nerf AV? I think that’s an ok ask. That doesn’t actually change anything about the BGs themselves other than some numbers.
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Okay, fine, you don’t want any changes then so be it. It will continue to be a dead game mode.
This whole thread boils down to “everyone should be forced to play the game the way I want.” That isn’t how this works.
I mean dude it’s freaking classic wow. If people cant get over consume spamming 5 years later I don’t know what to tell them
It’s ok to spam consumes in a raid, during world pvp and world bosses but as soon as we hit the BGs it’s suddenly a burden . Hate it or love it consume spamming is a huge part of the game no matter what you’re doing
On another note, it’s already a pretty popular bg. It just so happens the era demographic aren’t those people. Ptr had 30-40 into 10-15 wsg up around the clock for quite a while. It was meta most all of classic with AB, while av only had 3 months of meta. It was meta in som and av was only a few weeks.
It’s the demographic
People who want to rank via low effort bg aren’t gonna play the other BGs no matter how you change them.
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Having a third version of the game that plays exactly like Retail isn’t worth anything. It may as well not exist at all.
According to you who hates uniqueness and wants Classic versions of games to be changed to be exactly like the current ones?
No. It doesn’t.
YOU are the one who wants to tell the people who want a chicken burger that their only option is a beef burger because “Beef burgers are more popular and so that’s the only thing that should be on the menu. Period.”. Well fine then those people will just stop coming to your restaurant and they’ll go to the small place down the street that is now copying what you used to have.
I agree with the post above though that the Era player base has chosen their meta.
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