ohlala this monsieur wrote a J.R.R. Tolkien novel
Taking the flag out of the map? Also not cheating, LEARN THE JUMPS NOOBS!!111
thereās a pretty big difference between alliance gy jump and taking the flag out of the map in case you didnāt know. I didnāt say anything about clear safespots which are indeed banable and have been cause for ban in the past. NOT THE SAME THING. You donāt need a guide for wsg, you need a guide for common sense.
Do you really use all of these consumables in a game? Sure, some people do, Iāll say at the minimum Faps which are quite easy to farm, rocket boots you can partly recycle once they explode (get a hunter to farm DM for volatile rum), flash bomb are again quite easily farmable by a druidā¦ either way I donāt get your point on how that relates to WSG? Sorry for not understanding?
You need a million consumables for a raid, but using a FAP in warsong gulch? WAHHHHH - Drosoul. Actual monkey.
Jump on top of brd center mountain via spacebar? Nice! But, pressing spacebar up a gy in Warsong Gulch? WAHHHHHH - Drosoul.
All in all, you are a moron. Your opinion has 0 value. You donāt have a brain that works. Try to think a little bit before typing next time.
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Ever done brd lava jump? Exploit and should be banned. Cheating!!
Ever skipped the trash in mc at start by jumping right after first 2 giants? Not intended game design.
Homeboy prolly the same dude whoās guild summoned him into walls to not get wrecked with his wbuffs on
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Yeah one of them is abusing an obvious terrain exploit in a way that is contrary to design intent, in order to gain an tactical advantageā¦ and the other is the exact same thing. You arenāt intended to run up a vertical wall to run a flag up the GY side any more than you are intended to run a flag up a wall to bring it out of the map. In both cases, the only recourse is āget gudā and perform the jumps yourself to reach the offending player.
Literally the same exact thing at the basic level.
Which again are the same exact mechanic. Make a series of jumps in order to reach a place you werenāt supposed to be able to access via normal game play and design. Iād add, GY climbing also is something that was banned for in the past (albeit distant pastā¦ current blizzard couldnāt be bothered to moderate their game)
Typically I donāt go that crazy on them.
The guy I was replying to was claiming usage of them (and greater fire protection pots too) as a more or less on cooldown thing. The reason it was brought up, was because in nearly every instance those players are also dual wielding credit cards in order to finance that level of consumable usageā¦ ESPECIALLY since, up until this patch, the amount of hours needed each week to cap the higher level brackets, doesnāt leave much time for farming. Basically I was asking if he was a gold buyer, and calling into question his nonsensical story about selling rocket boots for 70g markup at a high enough volume to front 50+gph of consumable usage.
As to why gold buying relates to this thread, see the underlying trend is people trying to justify cheating at the game because it benefits them, and because blizzardās active moderation of such behaviors is pretty laughable. Just exposing the cognitive dissonance of being opposed to cheating while also actively engaging in and defending cheating.
BRD lava jump seemed intended. They literally put mobs down there, and ledges to avoid fire damage with. Try harder.
I wonāt quote it, but ditto the MC jump at the startā¦ Itās a bit tougher to say whether that pathway was intended though, they made the entirety of the MC raid EXTREMELY quickly if memory serves.
Also should have been bannable. Not that wbuffs mattered once they added the chrono thing (nor would I have been upset if they where removed entirely, beyond the wpvp opportunities they encouraged)
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i think they should buff honor for winning ab and wsg
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To say that itās ācontrary to design intentā is unfounded. Taking the flag out of the map is bannable, and we see cases of players being banned for it. Never has someone been banned for āclimbing up a wallā, despite the wide pool of players that do it to this day. The simple fact that no one has been banned for a GY jump, TOT jump, cart, is all evidence that perhaps it was intended, contrary to the other safespots for which players have been banned for, or have been patched.
This isnāt so different than the boxes in the water in AB, where if you know how to press spacebar, grants you a significant advantage by allowing you to cross the water without dismounting. Either way, some non-safespot jumps in WSG and the boxes in AB provide some form of advantages to those who know how to press the large rectangular key on at the bottom of their keyboard. Either way, Iām not sure why youāre so against these simple WSG jumps as they are quite easily countered, if you can use your abilities correctly, or better yet, learn how to do these very simple jumps.
Furthermore, unless you designed the game, I would probably refrain from talking about game design since clearly you donāt seem to understand the difference between a safespot and a simple GY jump, which, Iāll repeat since it doesnāt seem itāll sink in, ONE IS BANNABLE and the other IS NOT.
Again, itās not a question about āblizzard doesnāt bother to moderate their gameā - if they didnāt (which Iāll admit theyāre not the best at it) why is it that despite the large pool of players which have mastered the art of the spacebar, none of them have been banned for GY jump where in contrast, clear safespots have been cause for ban? Why has some of these jumps which have been āabusedā by so many players have never been patched, but some safepots have? My realization is that youāre trolling lol (and yes, Iām falling for the bait, sigh)
Irrespective of you not being able to use your keyboard, we keep deviating from the true issue that the recent PVP changes have made the ranking system completely unbalanced, making the most cost-effective method to rank one that relies the less on actual PVP (AV), given the current way people play it (base rush), and making the other two battlegrounds completely irrelevant. The fact that AV remains the only BG that the majority of players queue for should point to the fact that thereās an obvious flaw in the system, which should be addressed. I donāt blame the players for doing what is more cost-effective if they are ranking, but I propose some adjustments be made to the honor gains such that actual PVP action be rewarded.
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Tell me you didnāt play og vanilla without telling me you didnāt play og vanilla.
Countless jumps have been patched. Again tell me you didnāt play vanilla, without telling me you didnāt play vanilla. The Alliance side gy jump used to be along the west wall. That alone had 3 different patches back in the day.
You exploiters keep making the same erroneous assumption here. I know the jumps. Hell, Iāve tested for them, and even found some of them myself that were unknown in various expansions. Iām just not degenerate enough to actually use them off of ptr, where that crap belongs (and even then specifically to get it fixed).
Is not rocket science.
AV pops because itās the highest hph available (edit barring a good premade) . The games are often very short, and only consistently beaten by premade wsg and ab.
People donāt like wsg because the bg has no time limit and the rampant terrain exploitation can heavily stall games, and thereās a very high frequency of running into a premadeā¦ It still gets more action than ab because it requires less people to spawn a game and fast wins are often faster than abs fast wins.
People donāt like Arathi basin because itās a relatively easy map to stall on. Even a moderately coordinated pug can hold a single base if they dedicate to it. Thereās also a high likelihood of running into premades there, and forming your own premade is more difficult since it requires more bodies as well as getting volunteers to defend nodes. You wonāt get the super fast wins as often in ab, but it does avoid the extremely long games that plague wsg.
take your own advice
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Keep coping and seething man. You literally are a robot in game, I guarantee. Heck, you probably arenāt even playing vanilla at all right now. Probably played 2019 Classic for a month before getting farmed off the game or xferring to a PVE server. Jumps are never going away, get farmed. Jumps are what make vanilla WSG what it is. Cya on Mankrik (oh wait you donāt even play vanilla)
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Nice a gigantic wall of cope
Jumps still in doe.
Bad at space bar
Farma/cropped/sprayed
I personally like wsg to an extent. What i don't like is dealing with is consumables and those jumps. I'm confident alot people don't play WSG because of these reasons considering it's stated over and over. If they stay in i just don't queue those. Why people would expect people to just not care, when they do, to keep queueing is beyond me.
WoW has many common problems that are stated by people in forums, on streams, and in game. Sure they might not be EVERYONES statement but i would venture to say that itās hitting a point itās becoming quite apparent that those same problems are catching up in large numbers that we see what the post shows and its comments.
TLDR: Donāt get mad when people donāt want to play a mode due to what they feel are exploits, going overboard with play, and players treating others poorly.
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We canāt force you to like wsg. Just like you can force us to like AV.
I donāt ask for changes to AV.
Donāt ask changes for wsg.
If you donāt q it whatever
I donāt q av beyond rep
I am confused on what everyone is arguing about? I have 1 min. Que times for wsg and 3-5 min. Que times are av. I would like to see better que time for ab (my favorite bg) they are still at 30 plus min.
Thing is play what you enjoy 
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Im not "forcing" anyone to do anything. I'm merely stating why i dont care for wsg currently just like others stating why they dont like AV. Im not the one creating threads on this just talking within them. The thread is about the AV meta which they want HPH inc in others to force people to want to do them based on that. Not sure where i said they shouldn't be there, just why i dont personally run it which is seems to be a common theme between people that don't. Perhaps instead of getting all defensive you pay more attention to whats being said in context of the post????
I think whatās more important is some balance <3 when the system is such that the two other bgs are pretty much irrelevant, points to the fact that maybe thereās a bit of a flaw
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This formatting is wild, scroll bar just keeps going and going
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I think the primary concern happens when WSG does not pop or takes a long time to pop and then people feel āobligatedā to play AV which they donāt like just as you donāt like WSG, and in turn, even fewer people queue for WSG/AB.
If there were 3 WSG games going all day and the AV games were still going I doubt this thread would have been made, just based on what I noticed.
I also donāt consider this to be good in general:
How is having the PVP system be optimal for people who would rather watch a movie than play the game a good thing? Clearly, the person doing this doesnāt even want to be playing and is probably just doing it for the gear. So yes knocking down the HPH for semi-AFKers makes sense, IMO.
By the way, your formatting is hard to read, especially on a mobile device, I donāt whatās being used to post that.
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According to people here, those 2 are better HPH ?
either pve av or get rolled by a premade in bis gear
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