On one hand I hope they aren’t and fury does become much stronger as we go through phases, especially if they increase more Ilvl’s again.
On the other, if warriors don’t end up scaling as they did in the past, I really hope they come back and revisit the warrior class for potential boosts to effectiveness. Like changing TG.
“just wait til you get shadowmourne, full ICC25H ArP gear and normal and heroic Deathbringers will, then you get to do damage” is a copout answer from some of these posters.
Edit: Imagine if the post for fury buffs contains the same “we want ret to be at the same level as fury” in reverse, bringing fury up to ret. I wonder how fast that thread would be locked.
If you want to try and pretend like you weren’t referring to HoR (which is the only thing you touched upon in this thread, and the only thing that makes sense considering your AP analysis and “proper usage” replies) then feel free. It’s just wild to me.
The ap analysis was talking specifically about hor as was the proper usage comment (which is just macro it into everything). The 15% buff reference was to the overall buff, not just hor.
But feel free to keep trying to change the narrative, it doesnt change facts.
On a target dummy? No. In a real fight of having to change targets somewhat regularly? Yes. Is about 4-5% dps gain. Also keep in mind divine storm hits more than 1 target and can also now apply it.
Reduces the time it takes to get that 33% weapon damage as holy damage by about 50% and (not a paladin player so havent tested this part) i think ds and cs now also benefits from that 33% weapon damage as holy damage because they apply it so they should be able to also proc that effect.
Again, not really a pally player so idk for sure on that last part and how it works.
Just glad it can add it to more than one target, doesn’t sound super viable without some upkeep though on cleave. single being hardly anything makes sense.
I think the big thing being missed here is poor judgement on blizzards part. Not only did they give a very and heavily unjustified buff out. But they put an already meek and non existent tank playing people on note.
“All We Care About is Paladins”
If they truly cared about representation across the board, Druid Tanks and Warrior Tanks would have been buffed months ago.
There’s another post I saw where a gentleman posted raw numbers for tanks currently logging across all realms.
Guess what…it’s dominated by Paladins and DKs.
There’s no variety and people are sick of it.
I would not want to play a game where one class is clearly shown more love and attention than other classes and virtually have my favorite class ruled out because it’s weak, doesn’t perform or because some streamer said so.
To argue that logic only shows that you select classes based on performance and your ability to get clout.
Meanwhile the other 90percent want to enjoy the game, but can’t, because blizzard is a failure at fair distribution and balancing.
What does that have to do with anything? I Specifically countered the idea you suggested in your opening post that this buff to ret’s is gonna cause paladin tanks to drop prot and go ret instead. Especially when rets still suck. Just because they now are above 2 different specs that they were below before the buff, doesn’t mean they aren’t still pretty bad.
I wouldn’t say that’s fact, maybe for YOUR SERVER that’s a fact, but not an overall fact for WoTLK in general. If anything, I’d argue there’s a much bigger shortage of healers than tanks, but then again, that’s my experience on MY server, and respect your experience may be different.
You can’t control what people wanna play but I guarantee all 4 of those tanks are not all paladins, which adds no value to the problem you mentioned above that with buff will cause paladin’s to swap to ret now instead of tank. Not disputing that this may not have happened, but again this is YOUR experience. I don’t see this being the case for a majority of tanks. It’s actually more likely that those people who wanted to swap to dps wanna swap because their class is not a great tank right now, so it’s less fun for them. But I assure you, unless you’re about to tell me all 4 of those were pally tank wanting to swap from an S+ spec to go play a B+ dps than this whole section on your post is irrelevant to my first response to you.
I’m not failing to see that at all. What you failed to see was that my entire first response was to combat the logic you used that this buff was going to cause paladins to want to dps instead of tank. Everything you responded with outside of addressing that 1 single point is irrelevant to me since that’s not at all what I was even responding to you about.
Godtier is a coined term by the players, the ACTUAL tier list is S>A>B>C. You don’t have to tell me how good they are, I said I was a paladin Holy main prot OS. I’m well aware how good they are. Which makes me question even more WHY on earth any paladin tank would want to give up their S tier spec to play a B tier dps.
There is far too much logic in this thread. The correct format of asking for buffs is crying and foot stomping and threatening to cancel your sub over your position on a graph.