Idk how many times it’s been said to you, what does that have to do with their only DPS spec?
Like you just keep bringing up holy and prot.
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Its almost like each class has pros and cons to it and the fon of a paladin was low dps options. Not anymore though. They are now lower mid teir dps at least.
Because they act like the CLASS had nothing going for it.
Lower mid-tier? Are you high?
It literally changed nothing…
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It’s not just that. It’s a combination of 3 problems.
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The biggest problem is ratios. You need 1 tank for 5 man content. You need 2 tanks for 10 man content(lines up well, so far so good) but then you don’t need 4.5 tanks for 25 man content, but instead still 2. You want your tank to be well geared of course, but without access to that 25man loot, it is more difficult to get geared.
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More people would level up tanks/healer alts and try it out if there was an easy way to do so. Leveling as a tank isn’t terrible really, but it’s still usually faster to do it in a DPS spec. Healing is pretty miserable. Having dual spec helps of course, but only so much.
3)Lockouts discourage people from taking risks when it comes to raids. If the tank is a failure, you’re SOL for the whole week.
The solution to all these problems is NOT TO FIX THEM. It is simply to get good. Make friends. Be social. And be a good person. These problems only impact bad players who are bad people.
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No, i just realize how much of a buff it actually is. It is close to 15% increase in dps for those who use it properly.
The tank shortage is not just a result of only 2 classes being used to tank, but also it’s largely because of the fact that they designed raids to require at most 2 tanks out of 25 people.
Five classes
Shaman tanks are perfectly viable, but they’re undesirable simply because of a lack of two elements: a taunt, and a reliable threat boost (since Rockbiter’s threat was nerfed in TBC, and particularly AOE threat).
We’ve pretty much zeroed in on exactly what would fix this issue: move threat reduction from parry to dual wield, and implement a glyph that causes Frost Shock to taunt and makes totem threat go to the shaman.
Imagine 13% more tanks…
Not sure how you can’t use it properly, you literally macro it into all your abilities.
It’s around 500-700 DPS.
Again it still doesn’t change anyone’s raid comp, they are still only bringing 1.
You’re all acting as if we are now dropping locks, mages and hunters to bring in a 7 man ret stack lmfao.
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Which when you consider the previous gap brings them to around the middle. It’s a decent buff but not overpowering (for the spec).
The unknown is where they end up relative to others with how scaling will affect classes as the phase progresses. Some are suggesting that Fury will rocket to middle, or upper middle. There are sims that contradict that view too. Ret pretty much wont scale well - we pretty much know this. But we don’t know how well others will scale and whether it will be enough to mix the ranking up. We shall see.
No, i would just like for them to address legitimate issues with some classes and specs. As an example i am sure you will agree with, i think ignite munching shoukd be fixed. Yes it will result in a buff for fire mages, but it should still be fixed.
Pet avoidance should also be looked into as it is inconsistent on what it effects. Some aoe it reduces the damage for. Others it doesnt.
Buff fire mages.
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The hor change inproved their attack power and critical strike rating scaling
It was a scaling buff to attack power by APX0.5 every 8 seconds (so a divive by 8) and another chance for that to crit so it increases crit scaling. Im not saying it improves scaling by a lot, but it does improve it.
AP scaling improves by APX0.5÷8 so 0.0625 dps per attack power improved scaling, but that is assuming perfect use of hor. And crit scaling also improved a bit but thats harder to math out.
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I mean they could already use Hor, now they can just use it on everything because of the glyph.
Hor scaling is .5 attack power.
No need to do anything to really use it correctly, you just macro it into all your abilities.
Nah man, they entirely changed Ret scaling based on his post /s
It may improve Ret scaling a little but not by much. I don’t expect them to hold their spot in the middle but that depends on how other classes go. I think the logs in the last few days show Ret around the middle but trending to the bottom half still? Not a huge sample size yet though.
Having said that - I have mixed thoughts about Fury scaling. We are scaling well with gear but we aren’t scaling as well as is needed to close the gap. I still think the sims are right and we’ll end up bottom of the primary DPS specs by the end of the phase, probably with Ret not far in front - we’ll be pretty close. The goal was to have Ret on par with Fury? By the end of the phase it looks like that will be pretty close to the outcome.
Why do you sit on the forums all day and just spew lies. And if it’s ignorance, the things you say are so easily disproven it’s just willful negligence.
Hand of Reckoning is without contention not “15%” of Ret’s damage. Perfect usage lands it around 9.5%-10%, and that’s only if its a pure single target fight. On Cleave fights, it’s closer to about 6-7%.
I just don’t understand. You care so much about class balance, and specifically, care so much about Rets to post hundreds, if not thousands, of replies about the topic on every single thread, and then you won’t take literally three minutes to review recent parses and see how the changes are actually functioning. It’s actually mind boggling and I will never understand people like you.
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I don’t understand him either.
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i don’t think they missed the mark since this game was recreated for sentimental reasons and not for testing out skills
Yeah there’s some embellishment of the numbers going on for sure. It’s a meaningful buff that is fit for its stated purpose I think.
I don’t think Blizzard got the Ret buff wrong, my concern is more that they’re overstating Fury’s scaling potential in this phase. I question how closely they are monitoring role performance and suspect they’re relying on the community to point out glaring issues.
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I love fury, and I support you guys. I think Warrior is kind of caught in the crossfire with this idea that they are scaling to be the top DPS in ICC. Even if that ends up the case, it sucks to be so mediocre for almost the entirety of Wotlk. But the warrior community is strong, I’m sure some of ya’ll are proposing some sensible, meaningful changes, and hopefully Blizzard will continue to monitor and review.
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