Whose growing issue? Certainly not my issue, certainly not Classic WoW’s issue. That was a personal problem shared by lots of people who arguably didnt care for the game they were playing which is why they invented their game within a game and made it about parsing and speed clears while engaging in rampant amounts of RMT and other exploits.
Blizz saw fit to cater to them for whatever reason but a critical analysis of “the issue” shows its not really an issue at all and just some whacked out desire to turn Classic WoW into an esport because people lack the imagination to play it any other way. People love min/max and they like it when their min/max is better than other peoples min/max so they can tell everybody about it.
In case I’m not being clear my contempt is for the chronoboon and the stupid line of reasoning that got it implemented. Im simply not in denial that the meta made people want to kill each other more than they normally would have so I can blame bgs for the lack of wpvp because I have some petty personal vendetta against them.
Again, Im not just going to bury my head in the sand and make excuses or alternate theories about why people do or dont wpvp. They dont want too, its as simple as that.
Yeah because chronoboon has nothing to say or do about BGs being more popular. They just are. That doesn’t alter the reality wherein people did wpvp to ruin peoples day and couldnt do it after the fact.
Yes I think we all understand what your opinion is. Too bad that’s all it is.
No, he gave his personal experience of what transpired on his server and you used that as an opportunity to hate on BGs.
This isn’t an opinion, but it seems you really want to pretend it is. Instead of letting your personal worldview get in the way, face the facts:
BGs remove players from the open world. That inherently diminishes the number of people able to participate in wPvP. Honor points and HKs being awardable in BGs only further disincentivize wPvP.
So do dungeons, raids, capital cities, PvE servers and not caring to engage in wpvp. You only want to make it about one thing though.
Yes, being in a bg means youre not out in the world doing wpvp but that doesn’t mean you cant do wpvp when youre not in a bg.
Its certainly the better option but I don’t think the intent was to purposefully coerce people into BGs so they would avoid wpvp by design. I think it was to give people options instead of relying on one or the other unless you got a better theory.
The truth was how Knetik described it unless you want to call him a liar. Otherwise you have to take him at his word or have played on his server pre and post chronoboon at max level and give your version of events that contradict his.
That’s not what you did. You basically told him his personal experience was not his personal experience and your overarching theory about wpvp and its relationship to BGs is the actual culprit when it wasn’t even relevant to his servers experience at all.
He and I share a lot of the same opinions where Classic is concerned but he just hijacked Knet’s telling of his servers wpvp scene and its relationship with the chronoboon so we can put the emphasis on something else.
Give chronoboon to players on pve servers, keep them out of PvP servers, just make the wbuffs non dispellable. That way the care Bears who don’t actually want to PvP can feel better rolling on a pve server. The world PvP stays on PvP servers, the BRM wars on raid night to get into raid were some of the funnest aspects of the game. With chronoboons that is basically eliminated. Noones going to hold out opposite faction guilds without knowing they’re killing their world buffs.
Yes, this game is primarily focused on PvE content. That should be self-evident.
Neither of those things award honor or HKs. Battlegrounds do.
This has been my stance the entire time. The inconvenient truth is that the means for earning PvP rewards are two vying systems: wPvP and BGs. I’m not calling one better than the other. The two are simply filling the same niche.
At no point have I suggested this.
I don’t have any bone to pick with BGs. I’m stating why things are the way they are.
If you read the original post from when chronoboons were added, PvP wasn’t even mentioned as a reason. PvP is irrelevant.
The reason chronoboons were added was because world buffs incentivized people to get their buffs, then log out for potentially days/weeks at a time and NOT play the game. That’s terrible game design. You want to incentivize people to play the game, not the opposite.
No one in this thread can come up with a better solution to that problem than the chronoboon.
I walked him, and now you, through the immediate cause/effect chain of events that objectively demonstrate BGs act as a disincentive for wPvP participation. Your interpretation is that this is being done with malice but the reality is it’s a casual observation.
My horde guild disbanded after killing C’thun in SoM due to lack of players to recruit. I came back months later for one Naxx to help a friend get his Atiesh splinters… then voluntarily sat out for Sapph/KT because 1) those bosses don’t drop splinters, and 2) I didn’t farm any frost resist gear.
I think he has some good insight and you constantly bringing up his parses/ranking/whatever (like it matters) paints you as a stereotypical salty angry naïve classic andy. Ironically it’s you nobody will actually listen to, outside of your bubble.
Despitebeing is right. With battlegrounds introduced it became optimal to afk in the city until your queue pops, much like retail. Remember the phase when the honor system was introduced before bgs were out? Brawls in every zone, on every boat, the world was alive and dangerous. I would like to see world pvp incentivized more in a classic+ but that’s another topic, and likely a pipedream~
The thread wasn’t about wpvp or the lack thereof. It was seeking chronoboon feedback.
Knetik obliged and posted how the chronoboon impacted wpvp on his server and you thought that was a great time to derail the thread and make it about wpvp - all while marginalizing someone’s very valid stance on the topic at hand. They even tried to reason with you but you weren’t having it.
I can only guess the reason why but whatever it is, it wasnt a good one.
Also, I dont need anyone to walk me through the cause and effect chain regarding bgs and wpvp participation. BGs are more popular for reasons that are so obvious it hardly warrants a discussion nor are they particularly relevant to the thread.
I dont think it was done with pure malice but you really wanted to drive the point home for some reason. I just fail to see the point. The impact BGs have on wpvp has got nothing to do with chronoboons impact on Knet’s pvp server. Why you would try to blame BGs for his particular situation makes no sense.