Chronicles 4 Spoiler Thread

[Zuleika-hyjal (Zuleika)]

@Zahirwrite-farstriders

So now genn could know what sylvanas planed

No he couldn’t, because he says up to about two quests from the end of the chain that he has no idea what she’s up to. Even if Azsuna comes first, and even if the Alliance finding the document is canonized, Genn Greymane apparently hasn’t heard about it per his own words.

[Karestae-moon-guard]

Unless someone posts something concrete from Chronicles that states a correct leveling order, his word is irrelevant. A map of the Broken Isles doesn’t prove anything

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

ＳＥＣＲＥＴ ＴＲＥＮＧ — Today at 5:19 PM
@Portergauge is it true that they made azsuna first in legion and if so, did they canonize the alliance finding the stuff about sylvanas’s ship, and retcon genn acting out of self interest
Portergauge — Today at 5:24 PM
nothing about that is mentioned

[Karestae-moon-guard]

I got my Chronicles 4 book. I’ll take a look at it later

(I love Amazon. Ordered it and literally got it 5 minutes later )

[Jikanda-wyrmrest-accord]

Retcons and inconsistencies

Inconsistencies

• The book initially states that there were four Old Gods on Azeroth at the time of its discovery by the Pantheon of Order in agreement with earlier volumes of Chronicle. The book later (page 169) states that N’Zoth was “one of five Old Gods who had formed the backbone of the Black Empire”.
• The book’s overview of the Purge of Dalaran omits the Sunreavers’ incarceration in the Violet Hold and states that the Alliance forces instead rounded them up for “exile.” It further posits that Lor’themar Theron interceded to stop the violence by calling Dalaran’s blood elves into that exile. In the game, Jaina altered her command from exile to imprisonment when the Sunreavers’ leader refused to abandon the city, the Alliance made efforts to prevent the Sunreavers from leaving, and their status as prisoners of war was a point of contention between Theron and Jaina in subsequent content.
• In the allied races recap, it’s stated that Lor’themar alerted Alleria to the existence of blood elves exiled for dabbling in the Void. In the corresponding quest, Rommath divulged this information.
• Even though [10-60] The Stormwind Extraction is one of the first events of World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth*, which ends with the Horde entering Zandalar and motivates the Alliance to reach out to Kul’Tiras, the book overview states that it happens after Priscilla Ashvane was rescued from her imprisonment by Horde champions. Thus establishing that the Kul’Tiras leveling campaign and the Horde war campaign happened before the Zandalar leveling campaign.
• Mogul Razdunk is said to have been killed by the Alliance, however The Goblin Way established that he met an explosive end because of Gallywix.
• Instead of independently running into Varok and agreeing to aid him, Zekhan is said to have been included in Dark Ranger Lyana’s mission to find and locate Varok and aligned with him when Lyana and her forces attempted to kill Varok.
• The book states that although “many believed” that brokers are native to the Shadowlands, they are dimensional beings who travel through many realms, with the Shadowlands playing host to a large population of them. The race was previously described as native to an unnamed realm of the Shadowlands.

Mistakes

• The book mentions Garrosh knowing his father as a fearsome warchief, even though the main universe’s Grommash was never a warchief.
• A vrykul ship is present on the map of the alternate Draenor.
• Mathias Shaw’s first name is misspelled “Matthias” throughout the book.
• Rokhan is referred to as “chieftain” and stated to be a Horde leader during the events of [10-60] The Stormwind Extraction, however he didn’t ascend to chieftainship of the Darkspear tribe until the formation of the Horde Council.
• The book refers to both Delaryn Summermoon and Sira Moonwarden as “dark wardens”, even though the former is a dark ranger and not a warden.
• Gazlowe is referred to as a trade prince during the events of Rise of Azshara, even though he was not a trade prince at the time.
• The book erroneously states that Varok Saurfang’s revolutionaries established themselves in the Swamp of Sorrows instead of Dustwallow Marsh.
• “Lord Chamberlain” is treated as a name rather than a title.
• Page 213 mentions the term “players” instead of an equivalent in-universe term like “adventurers” or “champions”.
• The book’s index conflates the Forge of Origination (in Uldum) with the Machine of Origination (in the Sepulcher of the First Ones), listing them together as “Forge (Machine) of Origination” and “Machine (Forge) of Origination”.

Notes

• Despite the description, the book does not contain character family trees.

This list will just keep growing as people pick it apart, I feel.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Chronicle_Volume_4#Retcons_and_inconsistencies

Edit: Updated July 26, 2024.

[Denona-khazgoroth (Denona)]

@Mithonic-wyrmrest-accord

The Horde being the one to defeat N’Zoth and claim Xal’atath was always there in game tho.

You mean Uu’nat right? Defeating Uu’nat is what allows the horde to claim the dagger, not N’zoth.

[Karestae-moon-guard]

Incase you’re curious, the legion leveling order does appear to be Azsuna, Highmountain, Stormheim and then Val’sharah. At least that was the order the pages covering the Pillars of Creation went in.

So, he was correct after all it seems. Had to look for myself just to double check

[Denona-khazgoroth (Denona)]

@Poised-moon-guard

MoP’s timeline also makes very little sense, we take a portal directly from Sha of Pride to the ships. Vol’jin’s Rebellion has already started, Garrosh himself says ‘they are no longer part of MY horde’ in the preview cutscene. Throne of Thunder and Siege happening so close together also doesn’t make sense, there’s a very clear passage of time (which we all know well because Remix is literally happening as we speak).

And as I mentioned before, Taran Zhu is somehow on the Isle of Thunder leading the Shado-pan against Lei Shen and nearly died from being choked by Shan Bu… but also in the Vale fighting Garrosh and nearly dying due to being impaled on Gorehowl.

Unless the Pandarian have somehow managed to master cloning technology… it doesn’t make sense.

Garrosh: Taran Zhu, how did you get to the Vale so quickly?
Taran Zhu: Uh… how did I Taoshi?
Taoshi: Well, you got me. By all accounts, it doesn’t make sense.

[Deathisfinal-gnomeregan (Deathisfinal)]

@Sarm-malganis

One small thing I noticed in Portergauge’s Twitter thread was that they finally hard-canonized the forsakens’ emissaries dying to the alliance, specifically saying “Anduin’s father’s soldiers executed them” instead of being annoyingly wishy-washy about them merely disappearing.

HMPH

[Meldaea-cenarion-circle (Meldaea)]

@Jikanda-wyrmrest-accord

In the allied races recap, it’s stated that Lor’themar alerted Alleria to the existence of blood elves exiled for dabbling in the Void. In the corresponding quest, Rommath divulged this information.

I’d argue this is more a mistake than an inconsistency but these books are oddly averse to naming supporting characters. Wild that we got a Purge of Dalaran recap with no word on Aethas.

[Jikanda-wyrmrest-accord]

Other inconsistencies not mentioned in that article:

• In the art, Highkeeper Ra-den is pictured with the Mogu-made shackles that Lei Shen put on him, despite it being a depiction of a time when he was not enslaved.
• Garrosh has the tusks of Mannoroth and Gorehowl in his depiction on Draenor, despite having lost both on Azeroth.

[Zuleika-hyjal (Zuleika)]

Wait, Uldir is Alliance? The raid that had Alliance players saying “We have no connection to this story, so why are we even going here?” That Uldir?

That’s right up there with Sunwell for “WTF-ness.”

[Karestae-moon-guard]

Uldir is worded in such a way that it appears champions from both the Horde and Alliance took down G’huun. Brann’s only regret was that without the blood god to distract the zandalari, King Rakastan would be able to wage war on the alliance. Which he did when he and Talanji pledged the Golden Fleet to the Horde

Brann and the alliance champions are the ones who convinced M.O.T.H.E.R to travel to the Chamber of the Heart and help out.

[Zuleika-hyjal (Zuleika)]

@Karestae-moon-guard

Uldir is worded in such a way that it appears champions from both the Horde and Alliance took down G’huun.

Well gee, if it was that easy, you’d think they could have done that for Sunwell Plateau … (grumbles) .

[Vedhu-wyrmrest-accord]

@Zuleika-hyjal

Well gee, if it was that easy, you’d think they could have done that for Sunwell Plateau … (grumbles) .

Yeah my first reading of it came to a negative one, that is the Alliance getting the kill for G’huun but after rereading it, it does state a both faction clear of Uldir.

h ttps://imgur.com/a/NGpn6XF

[Giru-khazgoroth (Giru)]

based canonising that it was varians men

[Renat-moon-guard (Renat)]

Why did the Alliance down G’huun, they had zero ties to that raid, and it’s pretty much the shining beacon as to why two storylines doesn’t work in this game.

[Dreadmoore-wyrmrest-accord (Dreadmoore)]

@Renat-moon-guard

Why did the Alliance down G’huun

Thjey did it with the Horde, but why was the Alliance involved at all?
Because MOTHER was there, and she’s part of the main story for BFA, so they had to be because Blizzard only writes for the Alliance.

[Renat-moon-guard (Renat)]

That does make it worse, they were supposed to be at war and hadn’t gotten to the obligatory “war’s dumb actually, let’s beat up bigger Jaws” part for the fiftieth time since 2002.

[Karestae-moon-guard]

@Renat-moon-guard

Why did the Alliance down G’huun, they had zero ties to that raid

Chronicles says it was because when the Alliance setup base in Nazmir, to try and recruit the blood trolls, Brann found out about G’huun escaping his prison when Mithrax destroyed the final seal at the end of Zandalar questing.